Why isn't the UFC trying to get more young HWs?

[kikikhan]

Is normal for TS.

What is normal is that you idiots can't read or can read but ignore what I write and bitch about something, because you loove to bitch

Read what I wrote and you will see that that guy's post was useless and stupid.

 

[eiyuu]

Did Pride fighters want to fight in the UFC?

Yes. Remember when Wanderlei Silva got in the UFC cage and said he wanted to f**k/fight Liddell?

Again, facts . . .

 

[Toothless King]

Ishii. Lol

why not? he has better Judo pedigree than Dana's favorite girl Honda

 

[skysolo]

TS you have to understand that HW will never, ever have the depth of the light weights.

Because if man is HW-sized-person why the hell would he do MMA when he can be paid more for boxing, hockey, football, pro wrestling, etc.

The UFC does not pay as well as they would like us to think. Look at Schuab, Jordan and Mitroine. I guarantee they would rather be in the NFL.

 

[CR0W]

why not? he has better Judo pedigree than Dana's favorite girl Honda

Yeah, Olympic accolades don't determine how well you will do in MMA.

Ronda is destroying every woman in her path, albeit she is leaps and bounds better than then overall anyway.

Ishii isn't going to reach the top of the division, would be expensive and isn't near as marketable, wisen up people.

 

[Toothless King]

Yeah, Olympic accolades don't determine how well you will do in MMA.

Ronda is destroying every woman in her path, albeit she is leaps and bounds better than then overall anyway.

Ishii isn't going to reach the top of the division, would be expensive and isn't near as marketable, wisen up people.

Ronda is using her Judo and athleticism to destroy other women who started MMA as adult to lose weight.

Ishii has to face against elite American wrestlers with 10 pro MMA fights before promoted to UFC.

 

[Terminal]

They just need to go out and sign some young no-name regional HWs and build them up from there.

There's a reason guys like Arlovski and Mir are having this "resurgence" because there are no new hungry HWs to keep them from doing so.

 

[CR0W]

Ronda is using her Judo and athleticism to destroy other women who started MMA as adult to lose weight.

Ishii has to face against elite American wrestlers with 10 pro MMA fights before promoted to UFC.

He is not going to be worth the money, that's what this comes down to for the UFC. He isn't very well known in the US, he would be expensive to sign and he'll never be top 5..... why waste the money?

I'd be incredibly surprised if the UFC signed him now since they already tried and failed in 2009 when Ishii joined World Victory Road. Likely to improve his MMA game in the smaller leagues but I can't see the UFC signing him now.

 

[toagrodyf]

There are quite a few out there, but it's not just as simple as the UFC "not choosing to sign them". There are a lot of other issues you have completely ignored. Fighters have contracts, the UFC can't just sign any fighter at any time.


Kharitonov - Not going to happen, he wants to be able to compete in kickboxing etc, doesn't want an exclusive contract, would have happened by now if it was going to.

Kharitonov - Would not sign with the UFC after Strikeforce because the money was to shitty and he would only fight 1-2 times a year. He could make more money fighting MMA & Kickboxing overseas. Zuffa f***cks us fans over because they won't pay a competitive price to more than a few top fighters in the world (in the real world not what the UFC tells you is 'only' the best... ha). Ask the guys that came from SF what happened to their fight pay after the UFC gobbled them up then burned the business down. (Don't tell me that SF was in trouble of going tits up due to overpaying guys. That BS. Coker's partners in San Jose who were funding expansion to compete with the UFC decided they didn't want to tie up their cash for such a long-term and would put that money immediately back into focusing on growing their core business instead. They probably not have chosen to sell though if the UFC wasn't continually throwing cash at them to stop running as they were gaining huge ground putting out a better product on many nights with UFC beating fighters evidently.)

Mamed Khalidov - Like with Sergei this is complete BS. He is absolutely a top ten in the world, if not higher. He has 1 loss is his last 30 fights (30-4-2) over 10 years. Just that is Fedor kinda numbers BUT Zuffa would not offer him $30K to show even though KSW said they would let him fight in the UFC. Why would a proven world class fighter with a real market value all over the world take a 6-6K beginner deal in the UFC? Like with Fedor, Sergei, Askren and Mamed here... zuffa f***cks over the UNKNOWING fans with their manufactured 'only the best' in the world BS!

 

[IndyCovaHart]

why not? he has better Judo pedigree than Dana's favorite girl Honda

How about because basically every Japanese prospect - young or old - has been a big fat bust the second they step foot on American soil.

Unless he's willing to work for sushi, the UFC would be wise to not waste their time and money.

They already have plenty of roster space waste in Akiyama, Gomi and Yamamoto to sell seats in Asia during foreign FightPass cards.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

What seems to be the problem?

The UFC is promoting the sh*t out od Ronda who was bronze in the Olympics.

Ishii was gold.

If you don't want Ishii in the UFC then I can't talk to you.

Ishii is just horrible! He would get beat by anybody in the top 15

I do think there are a few guys on the list that should be signed

 

[CR0W]

Yes, Zuffa will not match the massive money KSW are paying Khalidov.

Stop with your "Zuffa f***** us fans over because they won't pay a competitive price to more than a few top fighters in the world (in the real world not what the UFC tells you is 'only' the best... ha)" crap. Believe me, I have a lot more knowledge of MMA than a casual fan, have written articles on prospects etc. Nobody is claiming there are no top 10 fighters outside the Zuffa banner.

Put your dummy back in and stop crying, people are having a civilised conversation here, not a bitch-fest.

Khalidov is certainly one of the best Middleweights in the world, has great talent, but look at his record and tell me it screams top 10 MW. He's been impressive against poor competition.

Last 3 fights:

A 43 year old Ryuta Sakurai with a 24-17 record at the time.
Maiquel Falcao a good Middleweight for KSW level.
Brett Cooper a Bellator reject.

Stop getting all high and mighty. People are aware of talents outside the UFC.

 

[kikikhan]

Yes. Remember when Wanderlei Silva got in the UFC cage and said he wanted to f**k/fight Liddell?

Again, facts . . .

In the UFC?

 

[kikikhan]

Ishii is just horrible! He would get beat by anybody in the top 15

I do think there are a few guys on the list that should be signed

Getting beat by top 15 is being horrible?

You are just affraid that Ishii is going to hump someone to death. Be honest now

 

[kikikhan]

Yes, Zuffa will not match the massive money KSW are paying Khalidov.

Stop with your "Zuffa f***** us fans over because they won't pay a competitive price to more than a few top fighters in the world (in the real world not what the UFC tells you is 'only' the best... ha)" crap. Believe me, I have a lot more knowledge of MMA than a casual fan, have written articles on prospects etc. Nobody is claiming there are no top 10 fighters outside the Zuffa banner.

Put your dummy back in and stop crying, people are having a civilised conversation here, not a bitch-fest.

Khalidov is certainly one of the best Middleweights in the world, has great talent, but look at his record and tell me it screams top 10 MW. He's been impressive against poor competition.

Last 3 fights:

A 43 year old Ryuta Sakurai with a 24-17 record at the time.
Maiquel Falcao a good Middleweight for KSW level.
Brett Cooper a Bellator reject.

Stop getting all high and mighty. People are aware of talents outside the UFC.

Who are you talking to?

 

[CR0W]

Who are you talking to?

toagrodyf,

Wasn't letting me quote his post for some reason.

 

[kikikhan]

toagrodyf,

Wasn't letting me quote his post for some reason.

OH, OK

Thanks.

 

[theanticool]

Most of the guys you listed are old and/or have contracts elsewhere. "Trying" really doesn't apply.

Also, they tried with Ishii. Dude was offered a contract before he ever step foot in a cage/ring and he turned it down cause he wanted to fight in Japan. Now he fights old veterans for IGF every few months and winning boring fights. Two losses to Cro Cop probably won't help his cause either.

 

[chamcham]

The UFC should sign this big guy for HW.
With some MMA training, he might stand a chance.

 

[qw3rty]

There are quite a few out there, but it's not just as simple as the UFC "not choosing to sign them". There are a lot of other issues you have completely ignored. Fighters have contracts, the UFC can't just sign any fighter at any time.


Minakov - Under contract with Bellator

Kongo - 40, already been cut from the UFC.

Puetz - Solid prospect, usually fights at LHW, came up to HW to fight Tybura, highly doubt he'd fight at HW if the UFC signed him.

Kharitonov - Not going to happen, he wants to be able to compete in kickboxing etc, doesn't want an exclusive contract, would have happened by now if it was going to.

Tony Johnson - Under contract with Bellator. Boring style but would be a solid signing when his contract expires.

Grabowski - Would be a good signing, not exactly "young" but solid fighter.

Tybura - Won't sign him coming off a loss to Puetz but a win over Delija could get him signed once his contract with M-1 is up.

Golstov - Could and should be signed.

Ivanov - Signed to WSOF. Pretty inactive in recent times but hopefully that is now over. A few wins could see him UFC bound.

Volkov - Coming off 2 losses, under contract with Bellator.

Evgeny Erokhin - Coming off some good wins, should be signed.

Bedorf - Hard to see him leaving KSW. He, like Khalidov is earning a pretty penny and a company man and huge star.

Chris Barnett - A valid suggestion when he decides he wants to cut to 265 and not fight at 300lbs+

Derrick Mehmen - Contracted to WSOF, could sign after a few wins, fighting Ivanov next.

Smealinho Rama - Coming off a loss, solid prospect though.

Cody East - Solid suggestion, will probably get signed too, fighting for Legacy helps.

Alex Huddleston - Contracted to Bellator, good prospect, probably not UFC ready though.

John Hawk - Regional level journeyman, could add some depth to the division but not exactly "young" or that talented

Denis Smoldarev - Just bounced back from his first loss, signed to M-1

Ruben Wolf - 10-6, beaten a bunch of nobodies and lost to any noteworthy names (Puetz, Delija and Turek)

Satoshi Ishii - Mid level at best but would cost a lot of money to sign him, really not worth it.

Bobby Lashley - No. Signed to Bellator (Viacom) and TNA under the same deal, also 40.

Ivanov, Mehmen and Rama should be easy to sign, UFC has taken WSOF fighters before

Tybura has, IIRC, only 2 fights left with M-1, they should be in contact right now if they are smart and sign him

Smoldarev and Goltsov should be signed as soon as his contracts expires, same to East that should be an easy sign too

Barnett will never make 265 unfortunately, the rest are impossible or not worth it