Why is Valentina and Nunes being praised for crushing weak competition???

It would be reasonable to feel this way if they were ducking legit challenges to hand pick weaker opposition, but they aren’t they’ve just beaten everyone of note in their divisions. It is what it is maybe in a couple years Val will have some stiffer competition that can test her as she gets older.
 
Joanna didn't "arguably beat Rose" any more than Valentina "arguably" beat Nunes. It's a moot point.

The argument that Valentina is a 125-er is also moot because then you can say that a lot of Joanna's opponent were really atomweights (Penne, Waterson, Torres) if that division existed in the UFC.

If you compare only Valentina's time at 125 (i.e. ignoring her BW run) vs Joanna at 115 then yes, I agree with you that Joanna has faced tougher competition, but if you look through narrow lenses you won't get the full picture.

Only Penne and waterson count as atomweights cause they have both fought at that weight class. I don’t consider either as a great win, just proof that Joanna is still top of the division at 115.

As another example, I don’t consider Andrade a 125 lb fighter as she has shown she can clearly make 115.

We can agree to disagree on whether Joanna arguably beat Rose in the rematch.

Good discussion though, you’re a smart poster I think we are just splitting hairs at this point.
 
They can only beat whoever the UFC put in front of them.

Being levels above their competition is something to admire too.

Very true.

What do you want them to do--go into the top 10 contenders' gyms, and help each of them train?
 
When Mighty Mouse refused to move up we harped on him until Dana traded him for Askren, but Val and Nunes can seemingly continue to bash weak competition without any backlash in main event spots. Get them outta here!!! Nobody wanna watch a fight we know the answer to. Bring in Atomweight or something, get rid of Women’s 145 and make Val and Nunes fight each other again.

Oh and bring back Cybrog for a Nunes rematch since other than Val it’s the only interesting fight for her.

Mighty Mouse beat weak competition? Horiguchi is weak competiton? Joseph Benavidez is weak competition? Henry Cejudo is weak competition? Dodson is weak competition? Baugatinov is weak competition? Moraga is weak competition?

You have to be braindead to think so.

Nunes beat weak competition? Cyborg is weak competition? Valentina is weak competition? GDR is weak competition? Meisha is weak competition? McMann is weak competition? Ronda is weak competition? Holly Holm is weak competition?

Again, brains and death.
 
"Why are Anderson/GSP/BJ/Jones/etc being praised for crushing weak competition?"
 
Only Penne and waterson count as atomweights cause they have both fought at that weight class. I don’t consider either as a great win, just proof that Joanna is still top of the division at 115.

As another example, I don’t consider Andrade a 125 lb fighter as she has shown she can clearly make 115.

We can agree to disagree on whether Joanna arguably beat Rose in the rematch.

Good discussion though, you’re a smart poster I think we are just splitting hairs at this point.

Splitting hairs is the name of the game on Sherdog.
 
Nunes went up and beat Cyborg and Valentina twice. Valentina prefered a joke division instead of getting the losses back fighting Nunes again...
 
You mean all other WMMA fighters in world they would beat.
 
Why is Nunes allowed to keep the 135lb belt without defending it for more than 2 years?

Valentina should demand they give her a title fight at 135.
 
If they can make a living crushing low caliber opponents good for them. The lack of competition isn't their fault but I get what the OP is saying.

I really do wish the UFC was willing to invest more money into WMMA instead of abandoning it the moment Honda exited the building
 
Why was Mike Tyson for beating weak competition at his prime? Depends the generation
 
Brah she's better then Khabib, she has more defences okay!!!

Defence number is ALL that matters, just ask Jones fans. That and all top 10's of all divisions are equal, so Anthony Smith is just as good as his equivalent rank at LW....
Lol.

Literally more than half of Khabib's wins are against cans in 2 rounds MMA fights.

Defences are important because the champ is risking everything against the challenger. The more less known the more dangerous.
 
Lol, you're seriously trying to reach here. For one thing, Rose has faced almost every top contender at SW. To the point that her first title match for this 2nd reign was which rematch should it be. Keep in mind, she is only 28. So, how exactly has she gotten to overprepare for every fight when she is so young? Also, wtf is your rationalization with Rose & Joanna? They both literally & obviously got the exact same time to prepare for each other.
Rose was originally favored to win the 115 belt on TUF and they made an amature hour error in over estimating her and under estimating Carla. Pat even brought in a boombox with music for her.

Immediately after that loss she ran her career the way she has up to now. She constantly took excessive time off and never faced a grappler heavy opponent ever again. In fact the only time she was heavily grappled again was vs KK and Rose's BJJ was nowhere to be seen. She did just fine vs KK on the feet prior. Her coaches had her stop throwing kicks entirely and concentrated on her hands for a long ass time and the UFC kept giving her stand-up opponents who rarely grappled. She brought the kick back by the time she faced Waterson.

The argument that she doesn't excessively over prepare for opponents is just wrong. It was clearly the case in the first Andrade fight. She did to Andrade what Holly Holm did to Ronda. Right down to the side stepping and ducking under the right which was so well timed that she started it before Andrade extended the punch. You can get KOed doing that shit unless you know your opponent's timing and that takes 1000s of reps over many months for that specific move. She also had the kimura that she kept locking in perfectly until she fucked up because Andrade adjusted and Rose couldn't.

In fact Rose has a history of not being able to adjust to opponents that do something that she hasn't over prepared for. Carla, KK, Andrade and even Joanna in the 2nd fight exposed this at various points of those fights.

Rose was actually asked once directly in an online Q&A, IIRC around the first Andrade fight, if she will ever fight as often as Joanna had as champ. She outright said she will never run her career the way Joanna did.

IIRC she also said on JRE that they, her team, learned a lot from watching Joanna and would never make the mistakes she did. To date she really hasn't.

Anyone can look at Rose's record and see how much time she took off between fights. She took excessive time off after each loss as well. Good for her. She did exactly what she was supposed to do.

Rose, in the post fight press conference to the first Andrade fight, said herself that she wouldn't have returned so soon, which was well over a year after the 2nd Joanna fight, if she thought an interim belt wasn't going to be made.

Note: There was never any evidence of a neck injury pre Andrade fight and fighters regularly use injuries as leverage with the UFC for negotiations. It's one of the only things they can do to negotiate. Rose did that in the lead up to the Weili fights as well although she had more justification, IMO, before facing Weili the first time but she again almost lost out on that matchup due to her and her team constantly delaying the fight.

This stuff is just historical fact. You can dress it up however you like.
 
Rose was originally favored to win the 115 belt on TUF and they made an amature hour error in over estimating her and under estimating Carla. Pat even brought in a boombox with music for her.

Immediately after that loss she ran her career the way she has up to now. She constantly took excessive time off and never faced a grappler heavy opponent ever again. In fact the only time she was heavily grappled again was vs KK and Rose's BJJ was nowhere to be seen. She did just fine vs KK on the feet prior. Her coaches had her stop throwing kicks entirely and concentrated on her hands for a long ass time and the UFC kept giving her stand-up opponents who rarely grappled. She brought the kick back by the time she faced Waterson.

The argument that she doesn't excessively over prepare for opponents is just wrong. It was clearly the case in the first Andrade fight. She did to Andrade what Holly Holm did to Ronda. Right down to the side stepping and ducking under the right which was so well timed that she started it before Andrade extended the punch. You can get KOed doing that shit unless you know your opponent's timing and that takes 1000s of reps over many months for that specific move. She also had the kimura that she kept locking in perfectly until she fucked up because Andrade adjusted and Rose couldn't.

In fact Rose has a history of not being able to adjust to opponents that do something that she hasn't over prepared for. Carla, KK, Andrade and even Joanna in the 2nd fight exposed this at various points of those fights.

Rose was actually asked once directly in an online Q&A, IIRC around the first Andrade fight, if she will ever fight as often as Joanna had as champ. She outright said she will never run her career the way Joanna did.

IIRC she also said on JRE that they, her team, learned a lot from watching Joanna and would never make the mistakes she did. To date she really hasn't.

Anyone can look at Rose's record and see how much time she took off between fights. She took excessive time off after each loss as well. Good for her. She did exactly what she was supposed to do.

Rose, in the post fight press conference to the first Andrade fight, said herself that she wouldn't have returned so soon, which was well over a year after the 2nd Joanna fight, if she thought an interim belt wasn't going to be made.

Note: There was never any evidence of a neck injury pre Andrade fight and fighters regularly use injuries as leverage with the UFC for negotiations. It's one of the only things they can do to negotiate. Rose did that in the lead up to the Weili fights as well although she had more justification, IMO, before facing Weili the first time but she again almost lost out on that matchup due to her and her team constantly delaying the fight.

This stuff is just historical fact. You can dress it up however you like.


The problem with your lame ass claims is that they are just conspiracy. For you to be right, she would have to have insider information to know who she's fighting long before the fights are signed & before her opponents do. Otherwise, she gets the exact same time to prepare for her fights that her opponents do.

All you're doing is bitching about someone who also enjoys their life outside of fighting. Not every fighter is looking to fight the first moment available. Some of them enjoy balancing their outside life with fighting.

Of course Rose should not have been favored in her 4th pro fight against what would have been the reigning champion had they just transferred the division over. Also, you really don't know much about what actually happened. For one thing, wrestlers were lacking in the high levels of SW. Secondly, the reason Rose dramatically reduced the amount of kicks she threw is because she was completely revamping her striking game when she switched coaches to Whitman.
 
I mean it's all they have to work with, the fact that they are so far ahead of the #2 fighter in their respective divisions does speak of how good they are. Should a fighter at the top of (if they've been there a decent while) a more competitive division get more praise, sure, but people complained about Mighty Mouse being praised even though he was atop of a more skilled and competitive division than womens' 125, 135, and 145 (though his division wasn't among the most competitive in mens' MMA, it was still better than HW and LHW).
 
The problem with your lame ass claims is that they are just conspiracy. For you to be right, she would have to have insider information to know who she's fighting long before the fights are signed & before her opponents do. Otherwise, she gets the exact same time to prepare for her fights that her opponents do.

All you're doing is bitching about someone who also enjoys their life outside of fighting. Not every fighter is looking to fight the first moment available. Some of them enjoy balancing their outside life with fighting.

Of course Rose should not have been favored in her 4th pro fight against what would have been the reigning champion had they just transferred the division over. Also, you really don't know much about what actually happened. For one thing, wrestlers were lacking in the high levels of SW. Secondly, the reason Rose dramatically reduced the amount of kicks she threw is because she was completely revamping her striking game when she switched coaches to Whitman.
No point discussing this further with you. The information is there you just don't care to look. That's fine.
 
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