Why is Trump mocked for the Space Force?

They have wildly different objectives, though. NASA isn’t militarized, it doesn’t guarantee the safety or security of vital strategic resources. Space Force already existed, just as a command of the Air Force. They already handled all of their own satellite launches for the GPS system, as well as spy satellites. NASA didn’t lose anything through the creation of Space Force, our national security operations in space that already existed just now have a more direct path to receiving funding and advocacy through the joint chiefs. It’s like trying to argue that we didn’t need to create the Air Force as a separate branch from the Army, because the FAA already existed.
It's retarded because the amount of overlap and resource competition would render both services unable to do their duties.
As it stands now, an independent space force would be required to absorb the entire missile and rocketry AFSC's. That includes facilities like Patrick and Vandenberg AFB, and the requisite strategic doctrine they entail. Space Forces will need to absorb all the space tracking and various other groups. its so redundant as to be painful. My core AFSC was a 1W0X. Weather guy. We had entire facilities dedicated to Sat Com, space observable UHF/HF freq control. So those guys get what? switched over to USSF? do they go to the same school or have their own? Its not like USMC, Navy, Coast Guard, or USAF weather guys cross train with each other. hell our course work aint even the same.

everything Space Forces would do is already being done and well incorporated into The Air Force and is funded as such. No section of the Air Force has ever complained (legitimately) that they are under funded. What they tend to be, is under staffed. Poaching limited recruits for redundant commands wont alleviate that.
 
It's retarded because the amount of overlap and resource competition would render both services unable to do their duties.
As it stands now, an independent space force would be required to absorb the entire missile and rocketry AFSC's. That includes facilities like Patrick and Vandenberg AFB, and the requisite strategic doctrine they entail. Space Forces will need to absorb all the space tracking and various other groups. its so redundant as to be painful. My core AFSC was a 1W0X. Weather guy. We had entire facilities dedicated to Sat Com, space observable UHF/HF freq control. So those guys get what? switched over to USSF? do they go to the same school or have their own? Its not like USMC, Navy, Coast Guard, or USAF weather guys cross train with each other. hell our course work aint even the same.

everything Space Forces would do is already being done and well incorporated into The Air Force and is funded as such. No section of the Air Force has ever complained (legitimately) that they are under funded. What they tend to be, is under staffed. Poaching limited recruits for redundant commands wont alleviate that.
They’ll still utilize Air Force training and facilities until they can build their own up. It’s exactly like how the Marine Corps still utilizes much of the Navy for those same functions. Creating a separate branch that remains under the department of the Air Force allows space focused jobs and departments to target recruiting themselves, petition the joint chiefs for specific funding or transfer of resources from other branches, and to free up the Air Force to focus on the domain it really should be concerned with. It’s no different than the creation of the Air Force itself as a branch. Will there be growing pains? Certainly, but no one argues that the separation of the Air Force from the Army, or the Marine Corps from the Navy hasn’t been a net benefit as its allowed for increased specialization. Surely you’d agree that space is only going to continue to emerge in importance as a war fighting domain?
 
When's the last time anyone said anything about the Space Force? yeah when it was announced people were like "why?" but it has largely been given a pass as a "yeah, ok. Now what?" It's yesterday's news.

Slashing CDC funding, cutting joint research programs with Chinese scientists in identifying novel viruses, and being overall ill-prepared for the current pandemic when he was advised that the virus was going to spread on U.S soil in a matter of weeks, are the current topics for which he deserves the most criticism. Now, when you look at the fact that he increased military spending significantly, and within that spending he created a Space Force, while cutting on other areas such as the ones I mentioned, all-the-while giving tax cuts to the ultra-rich, you get a portrait of just how incoherent his administration has been in reference to real and foreseeable issues.

Now his job will be to spin the story in the headlines by minimizing the damage of the virus, and diverting attention to other issues such as immigration and a potential conflict with China. But he will not be able to sidestep questions from journalists about his handing of the pandemic and its direct negative impact on the economy. Currently, his way of handling it is to throw a hissy fit and calling them fake news before storming off. That doesn't work during an election campaign. The polls are reflecting a lack of trust in his administration's ability to handle the current situation. It doesn't mean he isn't going to lose, but that might translate into a slew of other ways that could hurt him. I think he knows of the dangers of losing this election in that he will face a lot of judicial pressure for many of the things he's done, and will not be able to benefit from the statute of limitations. I just worry about his willingness to engage into something drastic that would force a delay of the elections.

What did Obama accomplish again lol?
 
Space force IS dumb though. It would be dumb if Obama came up with it too and it's pretty pathetic some of you dullards think we all attach the merit of an idea to who came up with it.

LMK when there is anywhere close to a legit need to have a space force. No, "SuM1 ElSe MiTe Do iT FuRsT" is not a legit need.
 
Space force IS dumb though. It would be dumb if Obama came up with it too and it's pretty pathetic some of you dullards think we all attach the merit of an idea to who came up with it.

LMK when there is anywhere close to a legit need to have a space force. No, "SuM1 ElSe MiTe Do iT FuRsT" is not a legit need.

You don't know what you're talking about. The mission of Space Force is seen as essential to our defense by most people. That wasn't what the debate was about when it came to whether or not to create an additional branch of the military.
 
"SPACE FORCE! TOO INFINITE AND BEYOND! DUR!"

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People make fun of it because we already have NASA and "Space Force" sounds goofy.
 
...what did you think that expression meant?

I believe that most people, including myself, did not take that to mean "create a new military branch with an ill-defined space-fighting charter and a cartoonish name."

If Obama had created some silly galactic army unit called Galaxy Squad without any earthly (or space-ly?) idea of what it was to do, but rather as a silly publicity stunt and exercise in childish showmanship, he would have been rightfully mocked. Especially if he combined that move with sharp cuts to funding to actual scientists and experts in space exploration.
Hey genius, the space force does have a mission and purpose, you can quickly and clearly read up on it by searching google. People infinitely brighter than you are apart of the space force. Stick to getting through college.
 
We already have a large bloated military. We have NASA and Airforce, who I'm sure will lose funding due to the Space Force.
 
It's probably inevitable on a long enough time line. We got to space before we learned to co-exist, but now we've createsd a scenario where we are provoking the rest of the world to rise to our challenge and dial up their military efforts in space. Now we have conflict in the one remaining space that humans have ever existed in peace.

Which was going to eventually happen, but we just decided to make it happen now. It's like shoving your dad in a wood chipper because you know he's gonna die eventually, so why not get it done now and be the one to do it.

Your kids and your kids kids will have nuclear ordenance orbiting over their heads in ways that are impossible for us to really control. Killing people will become more sterile and inhuman. Less capable and responsible parties will effort to take part and make mistakes. We are courting death on a global scale. And for what? The same scientific breakthroughs we'd make if we just funded research as well as we do the military?

For more than a decade, the effectiveness of your military's capabilities has been largely dependent on the function of objects in orbit. It's a bit late now to worry about not provoking a military focus on space.
 
I like Space force; I also like when Trump randomly shout tweets "SPACE FORCE", I think its funny.
 
If Obama proposed the space force, they would start every episode kissing the feet of his statue

Obama would have been given a Nobel prize in Physics if he proposed the Space Force.

Obama, being a level headed guy (also not a moron), would never name it something as pretentious as "Space Force" lmao

"Space Force" sounds like something a cartoon character would use or a president depicted in a C hollywood movie (or Trump and his team apparently)

also I like how you two morons suffer from ODS and couldn't help yourselves but mention Obama and MSM - it's still a shitty name and your deflection is pointless
 
They’ll still utilize Air Force training and facilities until they can build their own up. It’s exactly like how the Marine Corps still utilizes much of the Navy for those same functions. Creating a separate branch that remains under the department of the Air Force allows space focused jobs and departments to target recruiting themselves, petition the joint chiefs for specific funding or transfer of resources from other branches, and to free up the Air Force to focus on the domain it really should be concerned with. It’s no different than the creation of the Air Force itself as a branch. Will there be growing pains? Certainly, but no one argues that the separation of the Air Force from the Army, or the Marine Corps from the Navy hasn’t been a net benefit as its allowed for increased specialization. Surely you’d agree that space is only going to continue to emerge in importance as a war fighting domain?
and JUST like the Marine Corps, it will spend most of its time scraping for funds and barely being relevant. The USMC is the worse example you could have chosen. What the USAF primarily focuses on is material and troop movement and communcations and aerospace command. The creation of the Air Force as its own branch made sense as the Army itself was already incredibly bloated and the specific task required where polar opposites. The Space Force if anything is a hyper specialized subset of already existing infrastructure, personnel, and equipment. You dont need to create a new service around that, you simply create a new COMMAND. back in the day you had Tactical air command and Strategic air command. Hell, there used to BE a Space Command until Trump decided to be Extra. Bring it back.
 
and JUST like the Marine Corps, it will spend most of its time scraping for funds and barely being relevant. The USMC is the worse example you could have chosen. What the USAF primarily focuses on is material and troop movement and communcations and aerospace command. The creation of the Air Force as its own branch made sense as the Army itself was already incredibly bloated and the specific task required where polar opposites. The Space Force if anything is a hyper specialized subset of already existing infrastructure, personnel, and equipment. You dont need to create a new service around that, you simply create a new COMMAND. back in the day you had Tactical air command and Strategic air command. Hell, there used to BE a Space Command until Trump decided to be Extra. Bring it back.
Space Force is just US Space Command, they just took all the personnel, resources, and facilities and transferred it into a branch so it can have some relative autonomy from the Air Force. The Marines are a perfect example. While they have existed since 1775, the Marine Corps didn’t really become its own branch until the 1840s. Prior to that, Marines were just used to enforce discipline aboard ship. Most of the amphibious Fighting was expected to be done by sailors who had additional duties aboard ship. It was after the Marines became their own branch that they finally had the freedom to develop their roles as shock infantry, and amphibious specialists through the small wars in the Caribbean and Philippines, which built the experience necessary for the island hopping campaign of WW2. I have a couple friends, both enlisted and officers, who have now been transferred to USSF from SpaceCom, and their needs to improve as a war fighting unit could best be met by the creation of a new branch. It’s pretty well known that missiles/space is where the officers go who underperform in other jobs in the Air Force. It’s a dumping ground for low quality, hence all the cheating scandals in missiles. With a new branch, they can target the recruits they want coming out of aerospace engineering programs across the country, and devote more resources than the Big Air Force ever was going to. Secondly, they can work contracting through their own channels, without having every deal be dependent on aviation contracts as well. This is good news for both USSF and the USAF, as it allows for greater flexibility when dealing with Boeing, SpaceX, etc. Overall, I firmly believe in the long run it allows the men and women of SpaceCom far greater opportunities to succeed at their jobs if they are allowed to go their own way, rather than be plugged into a command structure that’s sole focus is aerial combat, not space.
 
ITT Republicans salty and gotten to by a Netflix tv show.

Go watch some Jeff Foxworthy and shut the fuck up.
 
So here's the thing; for someone that is all about marketing and PR, he has no idea how to properly unveil something. He just blurts shit out and people rightfully mock him. This happens even though and argument could be made for certain things he blurts like a fucking moron.

HydroChlor, Space Force, the A$AP situation.... all things that were defendable at some level except that he just blurted shit out like an asshole and people thought he was stupid af.
 
It's funny to see the Republicans talk about how the Democrats would change their mind if a different president said it, as if their own side doesn't do that just as much. I guess self-awareness isn't as common as it should be.
 
So... America created a scenario where it is "provoking the rest of the world to rise to our challenge and dial up their military efforts in space." You make it sound like the other nations (I'm not American, so I speak as an outsider) are passive actors which are only responding to American activity in space, and America is some sort of grain of sand in the oyster that is the cause of the militarization of space. Are you suggesting that if America just gave up on militarizing space, other nations would just stop as well?

Did you read the part where I said it was inevitable? Because I didn't say it was inevitable as long as the US is involved. It was always going to happen and other parties are already working hard on it. Not 1/1000th as hard as everyone is going to start working now. They weren't spending a fraction of what they are about to. We just lit the fuse.

Because yes, I do think other nations respond to a challenge or a provocation. We've just stated we are pumping an explosion of funding into this, and we can expect China, India, Russia, and various other players will be hesitant to surrender all of space to US dominance/rule. So they will raise their game to meet us.
 
Let me preface this by saying I'm not a Trump supporter and I think he's a ridiculous person.

That being said, people have been saying forever we need to look to the stars.

Now Trump makes it official declaration and is mocked.

I feel like it's just because it's Trump and another one of his "whacky ideas".

If Obama had proposed the Space Force, would reaction been different?
Because Space Force is just US Air Force Space Command turned into Space Force. Allocation of money is all it comes down too.
 
For more than a decade, the effectiveness of your military's capabilities has been largely dependent on the function of objects in orbit. It's a bit late now to worry about not provoking a military focus on space.

There is an ocean of difference between using GPS and spy satilites and arming space. It's the difference between your neighbor having a large unusual antenna on his roof or having anti-aircraft turrets on his roof. Either will grab your attention, but they call for different questions and responses.
 
I'm pretty cynical when it comes to MIC spending. But, Space Force makes sense.

NASA isn't the military.

Foreign countries taking out our satellites is a real concern.
 
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