Opinion Why is the war room radio silent on Tim Scott's rebuttal to Biden?

[intrepid brawler]

Everything we're talking about is subjective - there are no hard facts here. This is why it's important to establish what our opinions are before discussing the specifics. I asked about 10 replies ago if you were okay with racial slurs - you could have just told me that you didn't think Uncle Tom was a racial slur, and I would have laughed at you and we would have gone our own ways. Instead you wasted at least 20 paragraphs of time tip-toeing around the issue.

You think it's okay to call black people Uncle Toms if they're conservative, and I do not. That's pretty much all we needed to say.

well, i believe it's clear how i feel about racial slurs. i explained in detail a couple of posts ago.

i also explained how i feel about the term uncle tom. it's justifiable in cases when a black person is supporting other races who are working against the interests of black people.

So, lemme ask you a question. why do you think uncle tom is a racist slur?

 

[intrepid brawler]

again one is a dumb pro athlete, the other is drug dealer who glorified crime in his music and the 3rd is just a trash individual who used any opportunity to exploit racial tension for his own benefits.

on the ither hand you have a guy who also came from humble beginnings, but didnt bitch and moan about "injustice", while getting himself rich. he just worked hard and get where hes at on his on merits.

dude, being a pro-athlete doesn't make a person dumb. stop being so stereotypical in your thinking and use your own brain. in fact, the way lebron uses his money to invest in his community shows he's smart as hell.

as far as glorifying crime, that's the american way. american history is steeped in crime starting from the boston tea party...hell, we had presidents who came from crime families. don't hate the player, hate the game.

and al sharpton is a champion of justice. standing up against a racist country determined to keep blacks down. he has fought the battles and won. he's a freakin hero.

i will grant that tim scott is smart. shameless and no self-respect, but smart. he knows how valuable a black man who calls himself a conservative can be to racist whites and made damn sure to exploit his racial hertage for profit.

 

[intrepid brawler]

yeah cause lefty empty pandering is full of substance...

you literally have one of the most powerful and influential ppl in the world pretending to be "victims"

hows that better?

who are you referring to specifically?

 

[58miles]

yeah cause lefty empty pandering is full of substance...

you literally have one of the most powerful and influential ppl in the world pretending to be "victims"

hows that better?

Powerful and influential people in the world pretending to be victims? Damn for a minute I thought you were talking about Donald "Worlds Biggest Victim" Trump but of course not, neither shame nor self reflection have ever been popular conservative traits.

 

[intrepid brawler]

Powerful and influential people in the world pretending to be victims? Damn for a minute I thought you were talking about Donald "Worlds Biggest Victim" Trump but of course not, neither shame nor self reflection have ever been popular conservative traits.

OK, that's who he was talking about...donald "nobody has been treated worse than me even though i'm the best president since lincoln" trump.

 

[intrepid brawler]

I don't think Tim Scott is an Uncle Tom but I he's a bullshit artist with nothing real to say like all conservatives and I have no reason or responsibility to listen to anything he says just because he's a fellow African American.

exactly. the thing about guys like tim scott is, they make you ask yourself, why are their views so diametrically opposed to the views of the other 92% of the black community. do guys like tim scott have some kind of special insight that obama and kamala and colin powell and the rest of the aa community lack? then you listen to that insipid speech and the fake passion being projected and you realize this guy aint nothing but an act. he doesn't have any insight. he doesn't have a new vision or approach. he's just repeating tired old republican talking points. it's the opposite of insight. that by itself tells people he's a sellout...that's why i have no problem with people calling scott a tom.

 

[Tairy Hesticles]

it's justifiable in cases when a black person is supporting other races who are working against the interests of black people.

So, lemme ask you a question. why do you think uncle tom is a racist slur?

The term Uncle Tom perpetuates the idea that black people need to be a homogenous entity rather than a group of individuals. It's a way to tell blacks that they do not deserve to challenge whatever narrative is common amongst black people. It's a way for (often times white) people to keep black people in line by accusing them of working against their race for disagreeing with a certain narrative. You're basically telling people like Larry Elder that they have not come to their conclusions based on intelligence, but rather because they are either ignorant, fooled by the white man, or working for the white man. It takes away all agency and dehumanizes the person based on their racial identity.

That's why it's a racist term.

 

[intrepid brawler]

The term Uncle Tom perpetuates the idea that black people need to be a homogenous entity rather than a group of individuals. It's a way to tell blacks that they do not deserve to challenge whatever narrative is common amongst black people. It's a way for (often times white) people to keep black people in line by accusing them of working against their race for disagreeing with a certain narrative. You're basically telling people like Larry Elder that they have not come to their conclusions based on intelligence, but rather because they are either ignorant, fooled by the white man, or working for the white man. It takes away all agency and dehumanizes the person based on their racial identity.

That's why it's a racist term.

So, you're saying that a black person who espouses views that are are different from other blacks is automatically considered an uncle tom. But that's simply not true. There are many individual blacks who disagree with the majority of other blacks about a great many things in politics. For example, there are some blacks who espouse strong socialist beliefs. Then again there are also blacks who are very much anti-immigration. Those views would be considered anomalies within the black community. none of those people are considered uncle toms. In fact, if you know anything about the black community in america, there are blacks represented in the full spectrum of political mainstream and fringe beliefs. It's not the case that blacks who are not democrats are republicans by default.

So, what you are saying is incorrect. A black person is not called an "uncle tom" because they hold views different from the rest of the black community. you might not realize, this but black people know and have always known we are not a monolith. but we know we ARE a community... we share a common experience and destiny due to race, history, etc.

A black person is called an uncle tom for one reason and one reason only. Because they are a black person who supports views that are, and have been, demonstrably destructive to the black community as a whole. You can have aaaalll the divergent ideas you want. but when your divergent ideas come around to aiding the destruction of the black community, you're not just some other black dude with different ideas. now, you're a tom.

A black man might be considered an n-word by people of races REGARDLESS of his political beliefs. That is not the case with an uncle tom. the term uncle tom has to do with the IDEAS the person espouses. IDEAS that usually have to do with giving other people who want to destroy us, power and control over our community. so, it's really not the uncle tom himself who is the target. it's their ideas. So, your notion that "uncle tom" is based on race is false.

No doubt there are some blacks who have studied the situation and have arrived at the conclusion that, for example, they want to join the kkk. That's been the case more than once as far as i know. i would not doubt they used their own reason intelligence to arrive at those ideas...however, going back to the rosenbergs and benedict arnold, just because someone makes a rational decision to sell their own country or race down the river doesn't mean they should not be held accountable...and for tim scott, dealing with accusations of being a tom is accountability.

 

[Tairy Hesticles]

So, you're saying that a black person who espouses views that are are different from other blacks is automatically considered an uncle tom. But that's simply not true. There are many individual blacks who disagree with the majority of other blacks about a great many things in politics. For example, there are some blacks who espouse strong socialist beliefs. Then again there are also blacks who are very much anti-immigration. Those views would be considered anomalies within the black community. none of those people are considered uncle toms. In fact, if you know anything about the black community in america, there are blacks represented in the full spectrum of political mainstream and fringe beliefs. It's not the case that blacks who are not democrats are republicans by default.

So, what you are saying is incorrect. A black person is not called an "uncle tom" because they hold views different from the rest of the black community. you might not realize, this but black people know and have always known we are not a monolith. but we know we ARE a community... we share a common experience and destiny due to race, history, etc.

A black person is called an uncle tom for one reason and one reason only. Because they are a black person who supports views that are, and have been, demonstrably destructive to the black community as a whole. You can have aaaalll the divergent ideas you want. but when your divergent ideas come around to aiding the destruction of the black community, you're not just some other black dude with different ideas. now, you're a tom.

A black man might be considered an n-word by people of races REGARDLESS of his political beliefs. That is not the case with an uncle tom. the term uncle tom has to do with the IDEAS the person espouses. IDEAS that usually have to do with giving other people who want to destroy us, power and control over our community. so, it's really not the uncle tom himself who is the target. it's their ideas. So, your notion that "uncle tom" is based on race is false.

No doubt there are some blacks who have studied the situation and have arrived at the conclusion that, for example, they want to join the kkk. That's been the case more than once as far as i know. i would not doubt they used their own reason intelligence to arrive at those ideas...however, going back to the rosenbergs and benedict arnold, just because someone makes a rational decision to sell their own country or race down the river doesn't mean they should not be held accountable...and for tim scott, dealing with accusations of being a tom is accountability.

I didn't say that blacks who espouse any different views are called Uncle Toms, I said that black people who have specific views often get called Toms. These are almost always conservative blacks who disagree with Democrats. The phrase is used to belittle black men and women who have conservative beliefs. It tells them they aren't one of the "good" blacks if they don't vote the way they're supposed to, and they don't participate with their culture the way that they're supposed to.

I'm not a conservative, but I don't get called a racial slur for being white and not being a Republican. It's unfair that black men and women get held to a different standard based on the color of their skin.

 

[intrepid brawler]

I didn't say that blacks who espouse any different views are called Uncle Toms, I said that black people who have specific views often get called Toms. These are almost always conservative blacks who disagree with Democrats. The phrase is used to belittle black men and women who have conservative beliefs. It tells them they aren't one of the "good" blacks if they don't vote the way they're supposed to, and they don't participate with their culture the way that they're supposed to.

I'm not a conservative, but I don't get called a racial slur for being white and not being a Republican. It's unfair that black men and women get held to a different standard based on the color of their skin.

first of all, you said this about calling people uncle tom

It's a way to tell blacks that they do not deserve to challenge whatever narrative is common amongst black people. It's a way for (often times white) people to keep black people in line by accusing them of working against their race for disagreeing with a certain narrative.

You did NOT specify "conservative views." So, in responding to what you actually posted, i showed you are wrong to say that simply because some individual blacks don't support the popular narrative they get called uncle toms.

Secondly, you are wrong when you say that simply because you are white you would not be called a racial slur for holding certain political views. I have heard many whites refer to other whites as "nazis" and "fascists" and other terms that are ONLY applied to whites who hold certain political views. You really gonna tell me David Duke didn't get called a whole lot of "slurs" like that when he was running for office? But if you really are what you say you are, you also knew that it was JUSTIFIED to call David Duke those "slurs" because they are an accurate refection of his political views.

Or, maybe you DO think it was racist slur to call David Duke a "nazi" when he was running for and holding public office while being a grand dragon of the KKK

whites calling each other those kinds of slurs is no different from a blacks calling another black person an uncle tom when that black person does things to undermine the interest of his community.