Why is selling weapons different then selling oil, if we don't do it, won't someone else?

[VivaRevolution]

Refiner in China Replacing US Imports With Iranian Crude

An independent Chinese refiner has suspended crude oil purchases from the United States and has now turned to Iran as one of its sources of crude, media reports cited an official from the refiner, Dongming Petrochemical Group, as saying.

The source said Beijing is planning to slap tariffs on US crude oil imports and replace them with West African and Middle Eastern crude, including crude from Iran, Oil Price reported. China has already said that it will not comply with US sanctions against Iran and it seems to be the only country for now in a position to do this.

US crude oil exports to China reached 400,000 barrels per day at the beginning of this month, but now Beijing is planning to impose a 25% tariff on these as part of its retaliation for Trump’s latest round of tariffs on $34 billion worth of Chinese goods. The retaliation began with tariffs on 545 US goods worth another $34 billion, but Reuters reports that oil tariffs will be announced at a later date.

https://financialtribune.com/articl...china-replacing-us-imports-with-iranian-crude


So many times, the justification we are given for why we sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, is that if we don't the Russians will.

Why doesn't this same logic apply for Iranian oil?

How do our sanctions against Iran do anything when China and India are more then willing to buy that oil?

Why are we helping China buy discounted oil?

What strategic US interest does it serve to strengthen ties between Iran and China?

 

[abiG]

You are confused because you are still doing this whole thing in kayfabe. The reality is that the richest men on earth will continue to bring wars all over our planet whether we like it or not. They have no true nationality. They are loyal to no single country. What you see is this ebb and flow that is controlled from behind the curtain.

 

[Phr3121]

Why is selling weapons different then selling oil, if we don't do it, won't someone else?

Well, oil doesn't kill people. Yes, someone else will sell that country weapons, but the blood won't be on American hands.

The reality is that the richest men on earth will continue to bring wars all over our planet whether we like it or not. They have no true nationality.

? - Bill Gates and Warren Buffett started wars? That's news to me. Wars are started by rich people? I thought nations or factions started wars. Which rich guy was responsible for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? Was Hitler rich? Well, he wasn't poor when he came to power, but he was very poor at one point in his life. Is there a hidden reference to the Jewish people?

 

[Trotsky]

You can apply the logic and, to an extent, it's valid

But I never understand why people who will hide behind "if we don't sell death machines to terrorist pieces of shit, someone else will" can then support things like the War on Drugs and think that (a) locking up drug dealers will do anything to abolish the drug market, and (b) it's a morally righteous thing to do, even though subsequent dealers will immediately take their place and likely be inreasingly more violent and charge higher prices.

Sorry to totally derail. Anyways, we don't sell weapons or oil at wholesale prices to enemy governments. Sure, Saudi Arabia is more shitty and dangerous than Iran, but they are our allies.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Chances of the gulf being shut down just got higher.

 

[The Merchant]

Well, oil doesn't kill people. Yes, someone else will sell that country weapons, but the blood won't be on American hands.



? - Bill Gates and Warren Buffett started wars? That's news to me. Wars are started by rich people? I thought nations or factions started wars. Which rich guy was responsible for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? Was Hitler rich? Well, he wasn't poor when he came to power, but he was very poor at one point in his life. Is there a hidden reference to the Jewish people?

You should read Smedley Butlers book war is a racket. I could recount the information in it but it's such a good book one should read it anyway.

United Fruit was behind all wars between 1898 and 1934 in the Caribean and surrounding areas (banana wars)

Iraq was invaded cause Israel wanted it gone and manufactured the intelligence to attack it via the office of special plans ran out of the vice president office by Douglas Feith, and also the false information that Mohammed Atta had went to Prague to meet iraqi officials and obtain anthrax. The Anthrax actually came from Fort Detterick and the FBI destroyed the samples before it could be studied. So make of that what you will.

 

[abiG]

They are

? - Bill Gates and Warren Buffett started wars? That's news to me.

They are hardly the richest people on earth. That is in kayfabe as well.

Wars are started by rich people?

Indeed, every war you likely know has been started at minimum, with deception.

Which rich guy was responsible for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

Not a rich guy, but a consortium. The stock holders in our federal reserve banks are a good place to start.

Was Hitler rich?

Duh, again, no. Who financed Hitler? Please, go down that rabbit hole. I dare you.

Is there a hidden reference to the Jewish people?

Not at all to "the Jewish people," but which neo-conservatives lied us into Iraq? Go down that rabbit hole if you dare.

 

[Phr3121]

Iraq was invaded cause Israel wanted it gone and manufactured the intelligence to attack it via the office of special plans ran out of the vice president office by Douglas Feith, and also the false information that Mohammed Atta had went to Prague to meet iraqi officials and obtain anthrax. The Anthrax actually came from Fort Detterick and the FBI destroyed the samples before it could be studied. So make of that what you will.

Well, I agree with you, but @VivaRevolution was referring to the sale of oil and weapons. Apples and oranges. Sure, wars have been fought over resources and religion. Actually, I believe the U.S. went to war in Iraq over oil. WMD was a great excuse for the public. Remember Colin Powell holding up a sample of 'yellow cake' at the UN, well, guess what, you can buy it for $29.00 at www.unitednuclear.com. You can also buy samples of Uranium (U-238) there. For sale only in the U.S. So, yes, we went to war with Iraq over $29.00.

Duh, again, no. Who financed Hitler? Please, go down that rabbit hole. I dare you.

Hitler became extremely rich after coming to power. He made every German citizen buy a copy of his book 'Mein Kampf'. Royalties from his book alone made him a millionaire. He found many ways to not pay government taxes and the looting of art throughout Europe made him very rich also. Plus, he had the government pay for things that he wanted: Houses, cars, real estate, etc. It was good being the Führer. Like Stalin, Mao, and Hirohito.

 

[hillelslovak87]

This thread title is known as "Nobel's Refrain"......

 

[LangfordBarrow]

? - Bill Gates and Warren Buffett started wars? That's news to me. Wars are started by rich people? I thought nations or factions started wars. Which rich guy was responsible for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? Was Hitler rich? Well, he wasn't poor when he came to power, but he was very poor at one point in his life. Is there a hidden reference to the Jewish people?

I would replace the word rich with powerful, but it isn't all of them, just the more easily corruptible.

 

[abiG]

Well, I agree with you, but @VivaRevolution was referring to the sale of oil and weapons. Apples and oranges. Sure, wars have been fought over resources and religion. Actually, I believe the U.S. went to war in Iraq over oil. WMD was a great excuse for the public. Remember Colin Powell holding up a sample of 'yellow cake' at the UN, well, guess what, you can buy it for $29.00 at www.unitednuclear.com. You can also buy samples of Uranium (U-238) there. For sale only in the U.S. So, yes, we went to war with Iraq over $29.00.

You have posted this so many times, your point?

Hitler became extremely rich after coming to power. He made every German citizen buy a copy of his book 'Mein Kampf'. Royalties from his book alone made him a millionaire. He found many ways to not pay government taxes and the looting of art throughout Europe made him very rich also. Plus, he had the government pay for things that he wanted: Houses, cars, real estate, etc. It was good being the Führer. Like Stalin, Mao, and Hirohito.

That did not answer the question. Who financed Hitler? Who financed the nazi war machine? Do you believe that it was anyone else than those who control the world's banking affairs today? Or throughout the rest of our 'war' history?

 

[tramendous]

This is very bad logic. I could take up petty drug dealing. If i dont someone else will right?

The point is supposed to be that that "someone else" isn't you. If the US didnt sell Saudi Arabia all those weapons and give intel and provide all the support that they have in Yemen, maybe Saudi Arabia wouldnt have been able to continue the war for so long. Maybe if the US opposed what theyre doing the SA gov wouldnt have gone through it.

 

[Phr3121]

You have posted this so many times, your point?

The same point as all the other times. Did the logic not digest? What part of what I wrote do you not understand?

That did not answer the question. Who financed Hitler? Who financed the Nazi war machine? Do you believe that it was anyone else than those who control the world's banking affairs today? Or throughout the rest of our 'war' history?

I don't know what is going on. I'm sorry to say, but you have been posting some pretty stupid questions lately.

The reality is that the richest men on earth will continue to bring wars all over our planet whether we like it or not. They have no true nationality. -- Who financed Hitler?

Who do you think financed Hitler? Not Hitler but the Nazi regime. You are mixing apples and oranges. One is the wealth of an individual (rich people), the other is the wealth involved behind a movement. Well it wasn't the Jews, even though their wealth was taken away for use by the Nazis. The Germans financed the Third Reich. All Germans, rich and poor. Government taxation, nationalization, and trade. German money built the German war machine, Hitler just pointed the German people in that direction.

Do you believe that it was anyone else than those who control the world's banking affairs today?

What are you saying? The Jews financed the rise of the Nazi regime in the 1930s? You of all people should know that part of history. How strong was the Jewish influence in German banking in the 1930s?

"Private currency speculators caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private (Jewish controlled) banks. Germans lived in hovels. They were starving."

"Nothing like this had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people's savings and businesses. On top of this came a global depression. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international (mainly Jewish) bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power. At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany."

"Hitler began a national credit program by devising a plan of public works that included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers."

 

[JJSBUR]

Well, I agree with you, but @VivaRevolution was referring to the sale of oil and weapons. Apples and oranges. Sure, wars have been fought over resources and religion. Actually, I believe the U.S. went to war in Iraq over oil. WMD was a great excuse for the public. Remember Colin Powell holding up a sample of 'yellow cake' at the UN, well, guess what, you can buy it for $29.00 at www.unitednuclear.com. You can also buy samples of Uranium (U-238) there. For sale only in the U.S. So, yes, we went to war with Iraq over $29.00.

Hitler became extremely rich after coming to power. He made every German citizen buy a copy of his book 'Mein Kampf'. Royalties from his book alone made him a millionaire. He found many ways to not pay government taxes and the looting of art throughout Europe made him very rich also. Plus, he had the government pay for things that he wanted: Houses, cars, real estate, etc. It was good being the Führer. Like Stalin, Mao, and Hirohito.

How much oil did the USA get from Iraq? What was cost of the military actions to get said oil? This makes no sense.

 

[Phr3121]

How much Iranian oil did the USA receive? What was cost of the military actions to get said Iranian oil? This makes no sense.

I think you meant to say Iraq, not Iran...

 

[VivaRevolution]

I think you meant to say Iraq, not Iran...

I'll allow it.

Seems to be the same story.

 

[JJSBUR]

I think you meant to say Iraq, not Iran...

I did mean to say Iraq. Going back to edit.

 

[JJSBUR]

I'll allow it.

Seems to be the same story.

I think they are very different stories.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I think they are very different stories.

See this post.

Also, see Sibel Edmonds.

You should read Smedley Butlers book war is a racket. I could recount the information in it but it's such a good book one should read it anyway.

United Fruit was behind all wars between 1898 and 1934 in the Caribean and surrounding areas (banana wars)

Iraq was invaded cause Israel wanted it gone and manufactured the intelligence to attack it via the office of special plans ran out of the vice president office by Douglas Feith, and also the false information that Mohammed Atta had went to Prague to meet iraqi officials and obtain anthrax. The Anthrax actually came from Fort Detterick and the FBI destroyed the samples before it could be studied. So make of that what you will.

 

[Phr3121]

How much oil did the USA get from 'Iraq'? What was cost of the military actions to get said 'Iraqi' oil?

. 02/2001 = 7,088 barrels of oil from Iraq
. 10/2001 = 36,501 barrels
. 04/2018 = 25,006 barrels

Not just oil, but control and influence in the region. Plus Iraq had already invaded Kuwait once. As of June, 2016, according to the U.S. Department of Defense, there were a total of 4,424 American casualties in Iraq.