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  1. Fedorgasm Gold Belt

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    Seems like they should be able to create an algorithm that makes a board where you don't have to guess, but this fucking game always comes down to a guess.

    Sudoku never requires guessing.

    I finally beat minesweeper on expert after playing for like an hour, but it didn't even feel like an accomplishment because I had to do a couple 50/50 guesses and just got lucky on those.
     
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    I beat minesweeper on my first try.
     
  3. vanillaisis Banned Banned

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    Is this 1996?
     
  4. jgarner Silver Belt

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    How is Minesweeper hard? After a couple of random clicks in the beginning, it's a game where you don't really guess anymore. Sudoku absolutely requires guessing on the hardest difficulties.
     
  5. ctrlaltdelete Brown Belt

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    I know not to click the right angle on 3 pieces, the middle pieces of diamonds and that sort. beyond that, I have no idea.
     
  6. Fedorgasm Gold Belt

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    Do you play on expert? Because my games always went fine at the start but near the end I would get situations where it would require guesses.
     
  7. Naught2Sixty Red Belt

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  8. Zer Steel Belt

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    Ugh, get into work and the first thing Sherdog does is remind me that Minesweeper exists. Have so much shit to do right now as well
     
  9. syct23 ...ElipsisBelt...

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    Minesweeper < Lemmings
     
  10. MikeMcMann Banned Banned

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    haha.

    I had this argument with my sister in law who stated as if fact that you had to guess at Sudoko and then just erase and back up and then solve. She got so mad at me and my brother when we told her that was cheating.

    But that is because she sucks at math.

    NO, you never have to guess at Soduko ever at any level. You CAN guess, but that changes the very nature of Soduko. Especially if you back up when you find an error and erase the guess and then just keep guessing again until it works. What is the point of playing then. You start out playing for the challenge of 'figuring it out' and then resort to 'guessing' every time you hit a road block. Just play a lower level where you don't need to guess.


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    Every "proper" sudoku puzzle which only has one solution can be solved without guessing. The only time you would need to guess is when the sudoku puzzle is improper, and thus has multiple possible solutions, and your guesses would be irrelevant to whether the puzzle could be solved.
     
  11. MikeMcMann Banned Banned

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    My sister in law needs to start guessing as soon as she moves up a level from Easy. Medium she will make some guesses. And at Hard level she has to guess in pretty much every puzzle.

    People need to stop thinking that 'when i hit my personal skill level cap, the puzzle then requires guessing' as if that means 'if i cannot do more without guessing, than no one else can'.

    When I was playing Sudoku almost every day, I would google and study all the harder patterns to solve. You start with some of the easier such as 'cross hatching' which generally fills in a ton of squares via the process of elimination, then you move up to techniques like X Wing and Swordfish, etc.

    I could play almost all games at expert and fiendish levels. I abandoned many games at those levels as I would never guess. But i also completed the majority of them.

    The key, imo, to the harder levels is to be so diligent you never make a mistake in the early fill in squares, because if you are confident you made no mistake then you know an answer is ahead and you just need to find it. I would put puzzles down and come back to them the next day or days later with fresh eyes which often helped. And you could not vest that much time and effort if you knew you were prone to silly mistakes in the prior fill ins as you would have that doubt. Or at least, I would.
     
  12. MikeMcMann Banned Banned

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    I feel ya bro. Not very nice of them to remind you of this...

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  13. FléauDeDieu Le Parrain

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    Never understood how to play it as kiddie on Windows XP, I thought it WAS really just a guessing game.
     
  14. weed ベルセルク

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  15. vanillaisis Banned Banned

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    OMFG I remember that game.
     
  16. jkthenatural Snake In The Grass

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    I fucking love minesweeper, I’ve wasted countless work hours playing that game in the past
     
  17. Bubzeh Silver Belt

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    I used to crush Minesweeper as a kid on the computer. Not difficult at all.

    Solitaire I struggled at mostly.
     
  18. jgarner Silver Belt

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    Well I'm an engineer and my math skills are pretty damn good. It still takes a certain amount guesswork to solve a Sudoku puzzle in the beginning stages as there are multiple possible options that you have to work through. The easier the difficulty the less guesswork you'll do, but on hard/expert difficulty there's a reason people don't fill them in pen and apps have a multiple number per box option.

    Sudoku isn't really about math anyways. It's about patterns. You're not doing any calculations. You could replace everything in a Sudoku puzzle with shapes whatever else you wanted and it would still work. One of each per line vertically and horizontally, and one set per box.

    Sudoku is my absolute favorite thing to do in my free time. Love that game.
     
  19. Fedorgasm Gold Belt

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    That's impressive but you're still talking about Sudoku and not minesweeper. Minesweeper requires guessing at the expert level. It's not just that I suck. Look it up. It's part of the game. The worst part IMO
     
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