Why is LHW and HW so shallow?

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  1. The Blob Banned Banned

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    I've been thinking about this and some people say it's because there aren't enough people that are big enough to fight in those divisions.

    But the HW division in boxing in the 70s and 90s (no weight limit as well) were considered to be some of the deepest divisions in boxing history. There were plenty of skilled big guys there, but how come MMA's LHW/HW divisions are full of 35+ year olds?
     
  2. TheIrishPsycho Whiskey Belt

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    Big guys go and do real sports.
     
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    The best athletes in the world are guys who are 220lbs and above, but still move fast like guys who are 185lbs and below. These A-level athletes are in the NFL/NBA, etc. because that’s where the real money is.

    Greg Hardy is a perfect example. Whoever has the HW belt after DC is just keeping it warm for Greg Hardy. He’s gonna be champ early 2020, just because Dana is taking his time with him. He would KO Tai Tuivasa if they fought tomorrow.

    Look at the way he slips the punch and counters with his right lightning fast. It looks more impressive than a Conor counter, and Hardy has only been pro for 2 fights.

     
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    You just answered your own question.

    More LHW/HW boxers because it pays better.

    /eot
     
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    UFC has pretty much left both divisions out to dry. Lack of promotion, no new prospects, USADA, etc.
     
  6. Taric Gold Belt

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    'cause they only hired 20 fighters to be on the roster
     
  7. PROlogic Banned Banned

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    It's population/numbers

    They aren't that many big men in the world....and there's an even smaller percentage from that small percentage of big men who are even coordinated/talented

    And then there's an even smaller percentage, from that tiny percentage of talented big men, who even want to FIGHT, and or have the heart to want to fight etc

    This is why the lower weight classes in boxing (140 and 147) and MMA (135/145/ESPECIALLY 155) will always have the deepest most stacked talent pools forever and consistently

    There are simply billions more average sized men, and of those significantly larger more global talent pools, boxing and MMA are going to always get a significant amount of the more truly legit elite super talents

    There will always be EXCEPTIONS at LHW/HW, but for the most part LHW/HW will always be shit and the shallowest. For a long time MW was shit too

    Here's a fun fact. Of the top 10 all time great boxers in history, the vast majority on all the reputable lists, are all under 160 with most being 147 and under
     
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    no one gives a shit about MMA.

    reason n1
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  9. cyrusthevyrus Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    they lack a lot of fighters from outside the organization. just imagine how good the divisions were during PRIDE days.
     
  10. The Blob Banned Banned

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    But that's like P4P rankings and shit, which is pure conjecture

    P4P is a fantasy that doesn't make sense in any other sport or in real life

    All I know is that the 1000th ranked HW boxer would KO the best 135lber
     
  11. The new breed HWs aren’t down getting paid 10/10 to start off their UFC careers.
     
  12. DOMMA Brown Belt

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    Not sure this is true. Many claim MMA is the fastest growing sport in the US.
     
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    UFC let a lot of the depth walk. If you add Davis and Bader into lhw it’s not a bad division. Rockhold and Romero
    should be up there too.

    DC
    Bader
    Davis
    Gus
    Romero
    Rockhold
    Litifi
    Ozdimir
    Manuwa

    That’s a pretty damn good division.
     
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    That had nothing to do with P4P

    You asked why LHW and HW are so shit.

    I answered

    Then I added why the lower weight classes in both MMA and boxing have always been THE premier divisions with the biggest largest and greatest talent pools with all the best superior talents

    I.e size of talent pools. This is a fact and has nothing to do with your inane irrelvant response


    Btw,
    It's also a FACT that the vast majority of the top 10 greatest boxers in history were all under 160 with most being 160lbs and under

    Lower weight classes>>>>higger weight classes and that is also a fact both commercially(ppv numbers) and talent wise/rankings wise etc
     
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    Nah man, you’re delusional. The best athletes are big guys who move like small guys. Greg Hardy is the best athlete MMA has ever seen. The way he slips this punch and counters with his right hand is much more crisp and fluid than someone like Conor.

    Imagine how good Hardy’s counters will be when he has as much fights as conor does.
     
  16. The Blob Banned Banned

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    You need to calm down buddy, I am trying to have a logical conversation, hence why this thread was created.

    The top 10 rankings are P4P rankings, otherwise they'd just be full of Heavyweights. P4P is a made up thing and is totally opinion based.
     
  17. Rygu R.I.P. Obie

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    As much as I hate hate hate to hype a guy up before he's even fought a UFC fighter, Hardy has the tools to do well in the UFC. His speed to power ratio is scary.
     
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    The NFL and other sports is a good excuse, BUT the LHW and HW divisions have got much worse over the years.

    There is a few MMA gyms that I visited here before and there is zero big guys in it, its full of small or medium sized guys and women. Finding a HW is like looking for a needle in a haystack in them.
     
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    You never try to be logical. So I doubt this is a start for you.

    Every one knows your reputation

    But if you are genuine then let's discuss

    Size of talent pools is your answer to this thread

    And it's the answer to why the lower weight classes are so superior

    As for goat lists in boxing. It has nothing to do with p4p. It's about career accomplishments and legacy. It just shows how superior and more stacked the lower weight classes are when its nothing but lower weight class fighters who are all of the most accomplished fighters with the greatest legacies etc

    As for your HW=best fighters non sense

    The HW champs have always been guys who were small for HW. Size is irrelvant

    Fedor was in fact knocked out cold by a MW.

    The best fighters are lower weight class fighters

    Notice that in the history of openweight tournaments, most were won by much much small fighters

    People would be surprised by how many elite LWs today would wreck shop in an open weight tournament

    Whittaker beat Romero yet was KOd by Wonderboy

    Lower weight class fighters are the superior talents
     
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  20. El Fernas Silver Belt

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    Boxing has been around since forever, also you could be champ in boxing without fighting the other best guys, like Joshua and Wilder, in the UFC (or MMA) they end up facing each other sooner than later.

    Pay in MMA hasnt really been stellar, while athletic big guys can make a killing playing other sports instead of fighting.
     

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