Social Why is Hitler so Popular in India?

[superpunch]

If your point is that simple celebrity-worship is the likely answer, i'd be inclined to agree with you.

Indians seem particularly hard-wired for devotion/worship.

You probably do the same thing all the time but with just another person or symbol and another culture that was hurt by that person or symbol is like OMG!!

EG -- you're from Europe. That means that your flag represents a genocide to some brown or black person somewhere. Yet, people in your country probably raise it all the time proudly and that brown or black person is like OMG!!!

I know it might hurt your ego but the whole world isn't centered around and obsessed with your history and your civilizations. They have their own shit to worry about and their own historical atrocities to be outraged about. European atrocities are just a blip on the radar for them. Why should/ would they care about what European white people did to other white people?

 

[MicroBrew]

Doesn't the Swastika have Indian roots, or something?

The name itself comes from Sanskrit, the liturgical language of Hinduism. And the Nazis adopted it because a sub-set of Indo-Europeans, specifically the Aryans, invaded India about 4 millennia ago.
The symbol itself is not Aryan, it is found in many ancient cultures. Native Americans had the symbol too.
Many years ago I read an Anthro article that explained the symbol as possibly arising from the way fibers are layed in baskets.

Swastikas are pretty common in cultures with a heavy Buddhist , Jain and Hindu influence . It is pretty common in South Asia and the Far East.

You can find that 'Swastika' symbol in Ancient Elam (present day Iran) and Mesopotamia (Present day Iraq) also.

 

[superpunch]

Doesn't the Swastika have Indian roots, or something?

Yeah, if you ever visit a country where Bhuddism is a thing then you will see swastikas everywhere. It totally tripped me out at first lol

 

[MicroBrew]

Following on from the most racist countries in the world thread, I recalled over the years seeing numerous articles with regards to the popularity of Hitler in India. Some of them are listed below. This thread isn't supposed to be a generalisation about all Indians, nor should their be bigoted comments towards Indians - I just find it intriguing that a man who essentially regarded Indians and other races to be subhuman is looked upon with such admiration by a certain section of the population.

It seems that his popularity is possibly down to ignorance, a failure to understand who he was and what his legacy is. Some people interviewed have stated that because of his use of the swastika, he is "one of us". One student said that they are taught about Hitler but things like the Holocaust are omitted. The focus is on his ability to manage effectively.

Article describing Hitlers influence on right-wing Hindu nationalists:
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532

Hitler ice cream in India:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hitler-the-ben-and-jerrys-of-india
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/hitler-ice-cream-from-india-sparks-controversy

Indian children's book where Hitler is featured as one of many world leaders who have “devoted their lives for the betterment of their country and people.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/world/asia/india-hitler-childrens-book.html

Clothing store named after Hitler (the store name was changed after a backlash)
https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...in-india-triggers-global-uproar-a-853199.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history...sh-community-condemn-Hitler-clothes-shop.html

Hitler cafes in India plus Hitlers rock star appeal
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mvxwm3/hitler-is-a-rock-star-in-south-asia

Some of it is no doubt simply ignorance. People in the West are under the impression that every fact of history we take for granted is understood and known by everyone else in the world.

Nazi chic is a thing in East Asia; some of the Indian adoption of the imagery can be attributed as Nazi chic. Another reason is because the British ruled over India and committed atrocities, and the Nazis were enemies of the Brits. The reason for rightwing Hindu propaganda liking the Nazis would be a mixture of anti British imperialist sentiment and the Nazis claiming the Aryans as the master race.


Nazi chic in East Asia:


Nazi Chic: The Asian Fashion Craze That Just Won't Die
For years, young people from Indonesia to China have been dressing up like Nazis, buying Hitler-adorned merchandise, and embracing "swastikawaii."
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd5bdd/nazis-chic-is-asias-offensive-fashion-craze-456

Korean female pop group dresses up in outfits that looks very much like SS outfits.

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School Parade in Taiwan Featuring Swastikas and Nazis Unleashes Uproar
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/world/asia/taiwan-nazi-hitler-parade.html


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Why Asians Mimic The Nazis: Dress-Up Games And A Sense Of Power
Throughout East Asia young people enjoy dressing up as fictional characters, a hobby called cosplay. Nazi uniforms are one suit of clothes they might pick.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphj...nation-for-hitler-and-the-nazis/#54d08b7b1616

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Hong Kong Fashion Chain Drops Nazi Line After Outcry
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5360005


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Nazi Flags in Taiwan store selling betel nuts
https://newbloommag.net/2019/01/15/wanhua-nazi-flag-betel-nut-stall/

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Nazi imagery / chic in Mongolia .
https://widerimage.reuters.com/story/mongolias-environmental-neo-nazis

Mongolian Nationalist group opposing Chinese influence, adopt Nazi imagery and salute.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/02/mongolia-far-right


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Nazi chic in Indonesia
https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/arti...-dress-hitler-and-nazi-soldiers-justify-their

 

[Strychnine]

No, there was nothing evil about the symbol itself

Yes there was. Hitler flipped the symbol that was found in India and Germanic runes. Normally it's a symbol of good and prosperity, when flipped it stands for evil and hatred.

Please watch "Project Nazi: The Blueprints of Evil: Himmler's Empire of Terror" It's currently airing on the "American Heroes Channel", if you have access to it.

 

[ElKarlo]

Doesn't the Swastika have Indian roots, or something?

Amoung others. Probably a representative of comets, how they serial and such make it easy to draw they as a swastika

 

[ElKarlo]

Hitler is popular in pockets all over the world. I’ve seen in in Mexico and China. As is Stalin.

I think it’s hard for Americans to understand, because his face and that gif-length clip of him gesticulating in a speech are juxtaposed with shots of bulldozed bodies, in educational videos we are all subject to from a young age. Elsewhere, Hitler is more of “just another blood-soaked 20th-Century badass.”

Think Gengis Khan would be a good analogy. Dude did a lot of bad but was far enough away from the west to be idolized. That make sense?

I've seen articles of a school in Thailand having a Nazi parade. Even made a cardboard panzer and all

 

[TheGreatA]

Yes there was. Hitler flipped the symbol that was found in India and Germanic runes. Normally it's a symbol of good and prosperity, when flipped it stands for evil and hatred.

Please watch "Project Nazi: The Blueprints of Evil: Himmler's Empire of Terror" It's currently airing on the "American Heroes Channel", if you have access to it.

The Swastika can be found flipped and rotated in every direction, long before Nazi use. Without any special meaning to it.

The Nazis adopted the symbol to represent the "Aryan man" as depicted in ancient Indian writings. It was not an original idea by the Nazis though, as many German "folk" movements had already used the symbol before them. The Nazis merely adopted something that was already popularized, and matched it with the colors of the previous German Reich.

The weird combination of German Nazis and Indian symbolism can only be understood by reading about the previous developments of German intellectualism/philosophy, in which the discovery of ancient Indian texts played a huge part in the 19th century, creating a lasting impression on the German consciousness, at that time.

 

[SammyPops]

Lack of Zionists in India?

 

[Last Samurai]

Yes there was. Hitler flipped the symbol that was found in India and Germanic runes. Normally it's a symbol of good and prosperity, when flipped it stands for evil and hatred.

Please watch "Project Nazi: The Blueprints of Evil: Himmler's Empire of Terror" It's currently airing on the "American Heroes Channel", if you have access to it.

The Nazis didn't flip anything
It was simply rotated by 45°

 

[Strychnine]

The Nazis didn't flip anything
It was simply rotated by 45°

I see.

Please watch the program I listed also, It's on cable.

 

[Last Samurai]

I see.

Please watch the program I listed also, It's on cable.

Sure.

The Swastika was a symbol already in use by the Thule society since 1919.

The symbol was present among archeological remains of the German tribes.
And in the 1870's it was also found at archeological sites from ancient Greece, causing the nationalists in Germany to jump to the conclusion that the Germans and the Greeks were both the descendants of the Aryans (which many Germans believed to be a race 'superior' to other ethnic groups).

“When Heinrich Schliemann discovered swastika-like decorations on pottery fragments in all archaeological levels at Troy, it was seen as evidence for a racial continuity and proof that the inhabitants of the site had been Aryan all along,” writes anthropologist Gwendolyn Leick. “The link between the swastika and Indo-European origin, once forged was impossible to discard. It allowed the projection of nationalist feelings and associations onto a universal symbol, which hence served as a distinguishing boundary marker between non-Aryan, or rather non-German, and German identity.”

As the swastika became more and more intertwined with German nationalism, Adolf Hitler’s influence grew—and he adopted the hooked cross as the Nazi party symbol in 1920. “He was attracted to it because it was already being used in other nationalist, racialist groups,” says Steven Heller, author of The Swastika: Symbol Beyond Redemption?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...ika-germany-and-how-nazis-stole-it-180962812/

 

[Gregolian]

It's a chief symbol in Jainism, which is a religion that preaches complete and utter non violation of living beings. Quite sad, when you think about how such a revered symbol was used and seen as.

It's the symbol for wind for the Navajo isn't it?

 

[hillelslovak87]

It's the symbol for wind for the Navajo isn't it?

I've seen certain tribes use it different ways. For some it's the rolling log, for some it's a symbol of the wind, and for some it's the symbol of good luck.

For example, the 45th infantry division before World War 2, had the symbol as their logo because it was a symbol of good luck, then changed to the thunderbird when Hitler's nazis started adopting it.

 

[cunglaowins]

The Nazis didn't flip anything
It was simply rotated by 45°

I’ve seen it flipped around too

 

[Last Samurai]

I’ve seen it flipped around too

Across Asia you can find both variations.

Left: the left-facing sauwastika is a sacred symbol in the Bon and Buddhist traditions. Right: the right-facing swastika appears commonly in Hinduism and Jainism.

- Wikipedia

You can even find Swastikas tilted by 45° degrees
like at this Vietnamese Zen Pagoda built in 1670

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Hitler is popular in pockets all over the world. I’ve seen in in Mexico and China. As is Stalin.

I think it’s hard for Americans to understand, because his face and that gif-length clip of him gesticulating in a speech are juxtaposed with shots of bulldozed bodies, in educational videos we are all subject to from a young age. Elsewhere, Hitler is more of “just another blood-soaked 20th-Century badass.”

That's an interesting point. Yes I think that Arabs for example tend to admire Hitler.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Remember when GSP wore the Japanese rising sun flag to the Octagon? Most people in the west think that flag is "cool". People in Asia see it like we see Hitler and swastikas. They saw GSP coming out to that like we would see someone coming out to the Octagon covered in swastikas. The Indians probably just think Hitler and swastikas look cool. Why would someone in India give a fuck about an atrocity that happened in Europe and was done by white people to white people?

According to sherdog jews are not white even if they are white.

 

[cunglaowins]

That's an interesting point. Yes I think that Arabs for example tend to admire Hitler.

Sorta like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. When the movie the passion of the Christ came out to a lot of ciriticism in the US, Arabs were lining up to see it. Yasser Arafat said it was a good movie and “not anti Semitic”

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

EG -- you're from Europe. That means that your flag represents a genocide to some brown or black person somewhere. Yet, people in your country probably raise it all the time proudly and that brown or black person is like OMG!!!
?

wut
every euro flag represents a brown/black genocide, now?