Why is boxing technique so bad in mma

Why don't apples taste like bananas?
Because they're two different sports; boxing and MMA I mean.
 
  • Boxing has 2 points of contact
  • muay thai has 8
  • MMA has 8 + god knows how many for all the grappling
 
if curtis blaydes gets on top of you, he might do this:

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in mma getting taken down can be life and death. boxing no have to worry about this
 
ColombianFist said:
DEPENDS ON STYLE.

JDS ALWAYS had his hands very low to stop the TD but that takes his defense on his chin. Also the level of experience, training and fundamentals is extremely low in comparison to actual boxers.
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level of experience is important, as you say. seems like a lot of MMA fighters don't start training until late teens or in their 20s, whereas pro boxers might have started at age 10 or younger. takes a lot of time to ingrain habits
 
Shaolin boxing>>>>>>>>>MMA/boxing!

Be glad that Shaolin legends are not interested in mook peasant sports of boxing and MMA. This way you can continue making silly MMA vs boxing threads.
 
This is a very simple question with a simple way to answer it.

Find a heavy bag.

Throw a 1-2-3 with 4 oz gloves on.

THEN

Throw a 1-2-3 with 16 oz gloves on
 
JDS has always been a horrible boxer. A decent power puncher - nothing more.
 
Good slipping skill would leave you vulnerable to td.

Boxing is a lot of slipping.

Few mma guys kinda roll w punches ...
 
MMA fighters have to worry about blocking kicks to the body, head and legs. not only do they have to defend different types of kicks but they need to react to sprawls from the wrasslers.
 
There are 8 points of attack in MMA (fists, feet, knees, and elbows). There are 2 points of attack in boxing (fists). You have to defend significantly more things in MMA, which makes defense more difficult in general. Your distance from your opponent in MMA, from a defensive stand point, is much different than it is in boxing because a kick can hit you from much further away. Nullifying any attempt to box your opponent.

And I haven't even talked about the grappling aspect of the game yet.

Throwing and defending punches in MMA is not the same as throwing and defending punches in boxing because there's more to think about. MMA is closer to muay thai than it is boxing.
 
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Because elite boxers are rare in MMA. Simple as that.
When you have elite boxing skills, you don't usually end up in MMA, nor do you aim to be there.
 
rstringer said:
What does that have to do with covering your face with the non striking hand?
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A lot easier to cover your face with giant ass surface area boxing gloves than MMA gloves.

You think anyone would ever be able to Philly shell in MMA? Tons of boxing styles wouldn't work with smaller gloves, let alone the factoring in clinching being allowed + takedowns.
 
hard to believe but this board used to claim punches to the body are useless in mma
 
Khaiser said:
I think a more interesting question is ‘why is boxing so weak in MMA, relative to other combat sports’....and even that’s not a particularly interesting question.

The answer is surely money. If you can box at a decent level, then in most cases it makes sense to stick with boxing. Same with Muay Thai or kickboxing - both have avenues to make money. There’s a reason we see world class grapplers go into MMA but very rarely (if ever) see a world class striker do the same.
Where do talented grapplers like Romero or Maia really go to make money after they’ve been successful in wrestling/BJJ? The obvious answer is MMA.

The notion that boxing doesn’t work in MMA is completely false though. Like any other art, it just needs adapted. Wrestlers don’t use a conventional wrestling stance in MMA, Jits guys don’t use a jits stance, Muay Thai guys don’t use a traditional Thai stance.....obviously any boxer is going to need to adapt too. They absolutely could and do make dangerous fighters though - punching someone in the head is and always will be the quickest and most high percentage way of knocking someone out.

And JDS is absolutely NOT an elite level boxer.
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But we have seen world-class strikers transition to MMA and suck dick too.

Joe Schilling was advertised as a world-class muay thai / kickboxer. Now maybe that's Rogan jerking him off, but to my knowledge - correct me if I'm wrong - he was an elite level muay/kickboxer. He proceeded to go 4-6 as an MMA fighter in his career to this point.

James Toney is an example I won't use but was a world-class boxer at a point, was washed and a fat bum and didn't know any grappling/wrestling whatsoever.

Semmy Schilt from the Pride days beat a ton of cans, but pretty much sucked or was just ....okay at best. He was a world-class kickboxer and a giant.

Holly Holm was 33-2 as a women's boxer, obviously world-class right? she was a champion at welterweight and 33-2. Well she also has been out-struck by girls like Nunes and Cyborg who aren't world-class striking pedigree fighters. And her striking hasn't been that great or anything in MMA...where on paper it should be right?

I disagree. I would agree that boxing at the peak has some top notch athletes with way better hand speed and overall athleticism than most MMA fighters have, I'm talking the Mayweathers, the Hopkins, Tysons, Ali, Roy Jones jr, Sugar ray Leonard, Wilders....etc. Those guys are supreme athletes. The top tier of boxing offers more money and thus Boxing gets that type of athlete, and also let's be real boxing is more of a black culture thing than grappling/wrestling/BJJ, Muay Thai/Kicking are. It just is.

But boxing purely on it's own? Sure mechanically throwing punches and all that is better, for sure...but at the same time the basis of the fundamentals in boxing don't consider that your opponent can clinch you for more than 3-5 seconds, or take you down and grapple you. So just based on that some stuff doesn't work or isn't ideal.

Then on top of that boxers are taught to shell up and guard with their gloves, very reliant on that. But that simply doesn't work in MMA. So it's just not a translation that works that well imo, and I've seen it first hand. I'm not the most experienced guy but I started training when I was a kid...and I remember training when I was a teen and seeing boxing guys try to teach MMA guys to shield themselves in the gym, and seen it in the UFC and the results just aren't great. It just doesn't work.

TLDR: Boxing does not translate that well to MMA. It does mechanically in the sense of footwork / punching, but even then it requires some considerable differences. Maybe I worded it wrong, it translates well but it needs to be adapted. I don't think you can just take Floyd Mayweather and give him decent grappling/TDD and expect him to be world-class. I don't think he necessarily would, and he's an elite all-time level boxer.
 
No Skill Gap said:
But we have seen world-class strikers transition to MMA and suck dick too.

Joe Schilling was advertised as a world-class muay thai / kickboxer. Now maybe that's Rogan jerking him off, but to my knowledge - correct me if I'm wrong - he was an elite level muay/kickboxer. He proceeded to go 4-6 as an MMA fighter in his career to this point.

James Toney is an example I won't use but was a world-class boxer at a point, was washed and a fat bum and didn't know any grappling/wrestling whatsoever.

Semmy Schilt from the Pride days beat a ton of cans, but pretty much sucked or was just ....okay at best. He was a world-class kickboxer and a giant.

Holly Holm was 33-2 as a women's boxer, obviously world-class right? she was a champion at welterweight and 33-2. Well she also has been out-struck by girls like Nunes and Cyborg who aren't world-class striking pedigree fighters. And her striking hasn't been that great or anything in MMA...where on paper it should be right?

I disagree. I would agree that boxing at the peak has some top notch athletes with way better hand speed and overall athleticism than most MMA fighters have, I'm talking the Mayweathers, the Hopkins, Tysons, Ali, Roy Jones jr, Sugar ray Leonard, Wilders....etc. Those guys are supreme athletes. The top tier of boxing offers more money and thus Boxing gets that type of athlete, and also let's be real boxing is more of a black culture thing than grappling/wrestling/BJJ, Muay Thai/Kicking are. It just is.

But boxing purely on it's own? Sure mechanically throwing punches and all that is better, for sure...but at the same time the basis of the fundamentals in boxing don't consider that your opponent can clinch you for more than 3-5 seconds, or take you down and grapple you. So just based on that some stuff doesn't work or isn't ideal.

Then on top of that boxers are taught to shell up and guard with their gloves, very reliant on that. But that simply doesn't work in MMA. So it's just not a translation that works that well imo, and I've seen it first hand. I'm not the most experienced guy but I started training when I was a kid...and I remember training when I was a teen and seeing boxing guys try to teach MMA guys to shield themselves in the gym, and seen it in the UFC and the results just aren't great. It just doesn't work.

TLDR: Boxing does not translate that well to MMA. It does mechanically in the sense of footwork / punching, but even then it requires some considerable differences. Maybe I worded it wrong, it translates well but it needs to be adapted. I don't think you can just take Floyd Mayweather and give him decent grappling/TDD and expect him to be world-class. I don't think he necessarily would, and he's an elite all-time level boxer.
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ConorFacts said:
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Not sure if you are disagreeing or agreeing, but I think it's the former. That's fine.

The difference is this: Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Deontay Wilder, Mike Tyson, Tyson Fury.

We all know these guys are better punchers than anyone in MMA HW history, we can agree. Obviously better boxers that goes without saying but I said it. And it also goes without saying they would most likely get raped against the majority of top 10-12 guys in the UFC/Pride/Strikeforce throughout the past 15 years or so.

What I am saying is that I think it's more the fact that they are ELITE athletes than the fact that they are amazing technicians in boxing...which would lead to their MMA success if we could implant say mediocre mma wrestling and a blue belt+ level of BJJ into their brains.

I think the boxing technique would be huge in some areas - like a jab, like having awesome punching technique and power / pop from that, but I think all the other "sweet science" and beautiful aspects of boxing wouldn't be so relevant. I.e. bobbing and weaving, slipping, blocking a barrage of punches with giant clown shoe - pillow gloves, some of the footwork moving into the pocket and out (into clinch range, up against someone, standng in the pocket).

I don't think I'm wrong to say that. It's like any martial art...even the most successful ones had to adapt and cut out techniques, or had more aspects be effective than others like BJJ/Wrestling, Muay Thai, etc. Maybe only 30-40% of Boxing would really "work" in MMA. But clearly HW boxing in particular has way better athletes...Joshua, Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, vs Stipe, Derrick Lewis, DC, Ngannou, Blaydes...currently.

But you can choose to troll rather than seriously respond either or.
 
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