why i shouldn't be lifting heavy part 2, well thats what they told me.

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I had a thread on a week or 2 ago about the people telling me not to lift heavy and I finally got the email he sent, here it is. I had a manly cry over this it seriously pissed me off.


"Let's clear up the articles, they're right but not for a weight lifter of your age as you are growing and heavy load exercises will have negative effects upon your growth, imparticularly your bones. Also, the articles don't go into enough physiology to explain why. So I'll explain below!

There are a few reasons for it. As mentioned in the previous email you will basically (and simply) stunt your growth; remember i was saying about Osteoblast cells and Blone platelet cells? That's the first and probably most serious reason as weight training is meant to improve your general health and fitness, not make you into a dwarf. Limiting your capability in this respect is refering to your bone length (and particularly its lifting heavy loads effect upon your stride length).

Secondly, limiting your bone length will have adverse effects upon your muscle fibre length. The longer your muscle fibers, the more actin and myosin can have contact (this is what causes your muscles to actually contract and shorten, the more space there is, the more these can interact, therefore the quicker you can shorten the fibre, therefore the faster you can contract a muscle, therefore the fasted you can move a limb). That's put VERY simply.

Thirdly, yes there is only a limited amount that your body, muscles and central nervous system can respond to Certain training stimuli, not ALL training stimuli. This is called Accomodation, and put simply your body gets used to the training stimulus (e.g. bench pressing) and therefore your body wont respond to it after a few days with a raised biochemical state: this is the REST YOU NEED, your body will raise your biochemical internal state while you rest, its called the training effect. But if you keep using the same exercise techniques, your body will get used to it and you wont be able to progress in that particular exercise.

HOWEVER, that doesnt mean your body can't progress at all, there are several things you can do! Firstly, you can increase the volume of your exercise i.e. increase your sets. And/or you can increase the load i.e. increase the amount of weight you have on the bar. Finally, if you find after this you aren't able to increase your performance, you tweak the exercise a bit. E.g. if you are doing a barbell bench press, change the exercise to work the same muscle group but change the technique. Change the exercise to a dumbell bench press or pec fly.

Fourthly, this is all relevant to limiting your capabilities as if you start lifting a heavy load to early, your body will accommodate to THAT particular training stimulus. And as you get older you will find it difficult to progress and peak as you have already used that particular progression i.e. lifiing heavy loads."


your thoughts again on this assault of lifting heavy at a young age
 
Bhaha what a bunch of fucking bullshit, I await the responses to this with anticipation...
 
"Fourthly, this is all relevant to limiting your capabilities as if you start lifting a heavy load to early, your body will accommodate to THAT particular training stimulus. And as you get older you will find it difficult to progress and peak as you have already used that particular progression i.e. lifiing heavy loads."

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....what a bunch of crock....dont even know where to begin...

Everything I have seen/read only points to lifting weights being helpful in things like improving bone density, growth, etc. for teens. Bad form/lifting technique and excessively/improperly heavy weights can damage growth plates....

Seems like he throws a few fancy words in there trying to 'sound' smart....and justify his bs....however doesnt seem like he understands wtf he's saying.
 
DEVILsSON said:
"Fourthly, this is all relevant to limiting your capabilities as if you start lifting a heavy load to early, your body will accommodate to THAT particular training stimulus. And as you get older you will find it difficult to progress and peak as you have already used that particular progression i.e. lifiing heavy loads."

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....what a bunch of crock....dont even know where to begin...

Everything I have seen/read only points to lifting weights being helpful in things like improving bone density, growth, etc. for teens. Bad form/lifting technique and excessively/improperly heavy weights can damage growth plates....

Seems like he throws a few fancy words in there trying to 'sound' smart....and justify his bs....however doesnt seem like he understands wtf he's saying.
do have any of those articles you read about that devilsSon so i could show him and argue my case
 
If you're already over six feet tall? I wouldn't worry about growth being stunted.

How old are you again? How much have you grown in the last year? Chances are you've probably stopped growing anyway.
 
Send a PM to Keith Wassung and a PM to Entropy. They seem like the 2 most likely to have an article about why heavy lifting is okay.
 
2 quick thoughts

1. Really good lifters tend to be somewhat on the short side--it helps from a leverage
standpoint--there are exceptions, but I am taking about the majority of lifters. Lifting
did not make them short, its just that shorter guys gravitate towards it naturally--most
really good swimmers ( ie,world class) have huge feet and hands--it helps in the water
swimmining does not cause their feet and hands to enlarge, its just that people with
long limbs. torsos and appendages often gravitate towards swimming at an early age,
they find they are good at it--more so then their peers and they develop their craft-tons
of similiar examples

2. Studies which demonstrate that children should not lift/carry/throw heavy objects tend
to be ignored/dismissed by parents who live on a farm


Keith
 
cheers everyone, and thanks keith i'll mention your name to him and your comment and see what he says.
 
Why not just ignore those douche bags and keep doing what you wanna do man? You don't have to justify your activities to anyone.
 
Well I think my I.Q. dropped a few points from that. If I remember correctly you lift by yourself anyway with no one watching over you so lift heavy and right and pay no attention to anyone else.
 
maori rule all said:
Fourthly, this is all relevant to limiting your capabilities as if you start lifting a heavy load to early, your body will accommodate to THAT particular training stimulus. And as you get older you will find it difficult to progress and peak as you have already used that particular progression i.e. lifiing heavy loads."

Summary: If a teen lifts heavy weight, then lifting heavy weight will no longer be an effective training stimulus when he's older and full grown.

That is one of the dumbest arguments I've read in quite some time. Your friend is just making shit up to try and sound convincing. That's not even one of the common myths. It's certainly not valid or credible.

Don't even debate with him. Point out that he is making this shit up and tell him explicitly that you are not interested in his advice. Don't encourage him.
 
I'm your age, and I lift heavy. What's it done for me? Made me stronger (obviously), more athletic, bigger, etc.
 
Keith Wassung said:
2. Studies which demonstrate that children should not lift/carry/throw heavy objects tend
to be ignored/dismissed by parents who live on a farm


Keith

Keith I love you for this sentiment this is the rationale I persuade my wrestlers parents to let them to lift weight (I coach in a rural area where most of the kids live on near or have been to a farm)
 
kidfear0 said:
1. Bone mineral content of junior competitive weightlifters.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=2373585&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum

"Our results suggest that junior competitive weightlifters have an increased BMC, well above the age-matched controls' mean."

I don't think BMC is directly correlated with height, but who the hell wants to be tall with weak bones?
Wait is that saying that if you lift heavy your bones will get stronger? then that is even better so there is less chance of getting a broken arm or leg during a contact sport
 
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