Elections Why has Obama refused to endorse Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? SMH!

[MayhemMonkey]

Are you suggesting that AOC would sell out her principles to the corporatists in the national Democratic Party establishment? I don't think so. She's a true Socialist and she will deliver the change u want. Put down the bagpipe and wake up, Shamus.

wtf? no because she is a Justice Democrat.... the platform she is running on was co-written by this guy

 

[JamesRussler]

You sound afraid...

You sound like another corporate Obama-loving establishment anti-progressive shill. Don't talk shit about my Ocasio-Cortez!

 

[MayhemMonkey]

You sound like another corporate Obama-loving establishment anti-progressive shill. Don't talk shit about my Ocasio-Cortez!

just stop.... this act is pathetic given that all of us have already interacted with you. At least create a new profile if you want to become a new "persona"

 

[JamesRussler]

just stop.... this act is pathetic given that all of us have already interacted with you. At least create a new profile if you want to become a new "persona"

Look Shamus, you're not gonna gaslight me.
Now, you either get on the AOC train, or get in front of it.
Where do you stand?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Have you even looked into the democratic socialists at all? She is literally 100% a communist with a capital C.

Democratic Socialists Constitution

Article II. Purpose
We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit, alienated labor, gross inequalities of wealth and power, discrimination based on race, sex, sexual orientation, gender expression, disability status, age, religion, and national origin, and brutality and violence in defense of the status quo. We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution, feminism, racial equality and non-oppressive relationships. We are socialists because we are developing a concrete strategy for achieving that vision, for building a majority movement that will make democratic socialism a reality in America. We believe that such a strategy must acknowledge the class structure of American society and that this class structure means that there is a basic conflict of interest between those sectors with enormous economic power and the vast majority of the population.​

Where does it say "state control" of the means of production?

FYI: "state" and "popular" are two different words with two different meanings.

 

[Higus]

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Look Shamus, you're not gonna gaslight me.
Now, you either get on the AOC train, or get in front of it.
Where do you stand?

I fully support her..... whilst you are just a pretender. Oh and its Sheumais or Seamus, not "Shamus" ya fucking dork

 

[godking]

I imagine it's because he has always been a democrat, and despite the vilification of him by the right, he was never a "burn it all down" radical type but someone who tried to work with both sides and make compromises to get actual policy advances that he could achieve, and disagrees with the Democratic Socialist wing's approach.

I don't know though. Also not sure why it is such a big deal?

Obama trying to work with both sides was his biggest flaw in the early years of his presidency.

He tried to negotiate with people who never had any desire to negotiate in good faith.

When he realized that it was already to late.

Obama could have achieved more in his early years had he been less willing to negotiate and compromise.

 

[leto1776]

Lol. I want to see a diagram of the mental gymnastics that shows how a progressive feminist can align with an Islamist. Would be some Matrix meets Beverly Hills Ninja shit.

It all boils down to intersectionism. The biggest victim gets the most support. A straight white female feminist is well below a Muslim female on the victim of oppression grid. Hell, a straight white female is barely better than a straight white male, aka the Devil.

 

[JamesRussler]

Republicans didn't want Trump for 2 reasons. 1) He was campaigning on a lot of things that were similar to what Bernie was campaigning on.

• Both oppose the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.
• Both support maintaining or expanding current levels of Social Security benefits.
• Both support some upper-income tax hikes.
• Both lament the pernicious role of money in politics (this is why, as Stan herself notes, Trump likes to falsely claim he’s funding his own campaign).
• Both opposed the Iraq war (Stan herself notes that Trump “would have left Saddam Hussein in power”) and believe the money spent on it could have been put to better use domestically.
• Both have supported single-payer health care.
• Both have flip-flopped on gun control.

A list I found. Trump has proven to be full of shit on a lot of these. The Republican's thought Trump was too far left probably. But in reality he is not at all.

And 2) They could tell he was an incompetent idiot.

Some of the items under subsection (1) may be true, but subsection (2) is patently false. On the contrary, the establishment Republicans were afraid of Trump's competence. They might have disagreed with the wisdom of Trump's priorities, but they had no doubts about his ability to accomplish them.

 

[Bald1]

It all boils down to intersectionism. The biggest victim gets the most support. A straight white female feminist is well below a Muslim female on the victim of oppression grid. Hell, a straight white female is barely better than a straight white male, aka the Devil.

This is one of those rare times when the theory of vicim hierarchy is correct. Muslim women, on average are more oppressed than most others so the support for the individual is understandable.

This is one of those common times when the application of victim hierarchy is flawed. Muslim women, on average are more oppressed than most others so the support for the ideology is counterintuitive.

Or something along those lines.

 

[JamesRussler]

 

[zebby23]

You sound like another corporate Obama-loving establishment anti-progressive shill. Don't talk shit about my Ocasio-Cortez!

lol.

 

[JamesRussler]

I fully support her.....

That's all I needed to hear.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

I thought Dems were gung ho for Ocasio-Cortez and Democratic Socialism.

The people you're describing spend all day raging on Twitter and don't vote so it's all a big smokescreen.

 

[luckyshot]

Obama endorsed people who share his policy views, not every Democrat.

If he just gave a blank endorsement to every Democrat... his endorsement wouldn’t mean anything.

It’s not like he called Cortez the devil and endorsed her Republican opponent of something.

Talk about a non-story.

How is he running America into the ground? America is booming.

Posting a trillion dollar deficit despite inherenting a historically strong economy— all without actually increasing social services at all...

 

[JamesRussler]

Obama endorsed people who share his policy views, not every Democrat.

If he just gave a blank endorsement to every Democrat... his endorsement wouldn’t mean anything.

It’s not like he called Cortez the devil and endorsed her Republican opponent of something.

Here's what I'd like to know:
Are Obama apologists such as yourself speaking up for the benefit of Ocasio-Cortez (i.e. to shore up her support among centrists), or for the benefit of Obama and the national Democratic Party (i.e. to minimize backlash from AOC supporters)?

 

[luckyshot]

Here's what I'd like to know:
Are Obama apologists such as yourself speaking up for the benefit of Ocasio-Cortez (i.e. to shore up her support among centrists), or for the benefit of Obama and the national Democratic Party (i.e. to minimize backlash from AOC supporters)?

I don’t speak for anyone besides myself, but I view the socialist Democrats as a useful agent within the mainstream Democratic Party.

They are like the leaven that the bread needs to be alive.

Case in point: whoever the 2020 Democratic nominee ends up being, universal healthcare will probably be at the top of the party platform.

For what it’s worth, Cortez doesn’t particularly NEED the support of centrists to win her district. A hamster probably has a better shot of winning her district than a Republican. It has six registered Democrats for every Republican and generally leans D+29.

 

[AndroidRage]

Some of the items under subsection (1) may be true, but subsection (2) is patently false. On the contrary, the establishment Republicans were afraid of Trump's competence. They might have disagreed with the wisdom of Trump's priorities, but they had no doubts about his ability to accomplish them.

Lmao whatever make believe story you need to tell yourself.

 

[JamesRussler]

I don’t speak for anyone besides myself, but I view the socialist Democrats as a useful agent within the mainstream Democratic Party.

They are like the leaven that the bread needs to be alive.

Case in point: whoever the 2020 Democratic nominee ends up being, universal healthcare will probably be at the top of the party platform.

For what it’s worth, Cortez doesn’t particularly NEED the support of centrists to win her district. A hamster probably has a better shot of winning her district than a Republican. It has six registered Democrats for every Republican and generally leans D+29.

Fair enough. I appreciate a sincere response.