Why Glory and Wikipedia disagree so much about fighters records?

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  1. fedemma

    fedemma Green Belt

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    I mean, for example:

    Tyrone Spong
    Wiki: 72-6-1-1
    Glory: 89-5

    Giorgio Petrosyan
    Wiki: 76-1-2-1
    Glory: 78-1-1

    Van Roosmalen
    Wiki: 41-13
    Glory: 30-5

    Artem Levin
    Wiki: 70-6-1
    Glory: 46-4-1

    Nieky Holzken
    Wiki: 75-11
    Glory: 82-11

    This two match! amazing haha

    Gokhan Saki
    Wiki: 79-16
    Glory: 79-16

    Daniel Ghita
    Wiki: 48-9
    Glory: 48-9
     
  2. Cyantist

    Cyantist Red Belt

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    Doing a Rickson maybe and counting training sessions or s/t?
     
  3. ironfist05

    ironfist05 Silver Belt

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    Wikipedia's always been a little inconsistent with other records

    (Yushin Okami and Joachim Hansen have fights listed on Sherdog that aren't listed on Wikipedia, for instance)
     
  4. Troy4141

    Troy4141 Blue Belt

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    because good luck getting accurate kickboxing records.
     
  5. Broadcast

    Broadcast Black Belt

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    The records on Wikipedia are relative. Any kickboxing record is relative if the fighter didn"t start in a major promotion. This happen because there is no database. In MMA is pretty much the same but people can build their records better from the internet press. In the United States, any MMA promotion way smaller than Bellator for example gets more attention. Even from 10-12 years ago. In Europe is hardly possible if it"s very old, more than 7-8.

    Ghiţă doesn"t have included the amateur record for example. Levin has both (amateur and professional) on record - combined. And other records are simply added on graphics from coaches"/sportsmen"s mouth. Maybe some can confirm with a paper.

    The logical analysis would be:

    Tyrone Spong: his 89-5 Glory record includes only 5 defeats and not 6 because one was in shootboxing. And some wins weren"t added. If Spong or his coach didn"t lie.

    Van Roosmalen: Glory didn"t add his shootboxing and muaythai (thaibox) records, even though the so called Muay Thai or Thai Box Dutch events were actually of kickboxing. Normally they should add any PROFESSIONAL muaythai record (amateur muaythai not) on his kickboxing record. Shootboxing not.

    Nieky Holzken: some wins weren"t recorded by Wikipedia, if nobody is lying trying to add some more wins and I don"t think so.

    Petrosyan is pretty much the same.

    By the way, I can tell you a lot of MMA events which take place in Europe (Germany, Serbia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, etc.) which are not added by Sherdog. Sherdog is pretty much the same as Wikipedia. Nothing really official or if they get official results they get only from the USA. Boxrec is good. That"s a real database. Every fucking boxing result (professional events) from this world. Since "ancient" times. :)
     
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  6. DhakaMMA

    DhakaMMA Purple Belt

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    Glory is trying to fudge numbers maybe? At least they're not editing wiki, K-1 Global has atleast two accounts on Wiki, and tried multiple times to simply delete the K-1 page's entire history (pre-Emcom). Like wtf?!
     
  7. Broadcast

    Broadcast Black Belt

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    And Superkombat had tried to cannibalize K-1 Global. LOL! When K-1 Global does this. The Japanese history is very important. They should reach it if they bought the organization. Not "to cannibalize" the brand. The MAX Final 16 was so average, I wonder what heavyweights they have now.
     
  8. fedemma

    fedemma Green Belt

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    Thanks guys! yes rudelb, Boxrec is amazing. But a fuckin lot of people collaborates there.
     
  9. Douglas fir

    Douglas fir Yellow Belt

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    Sounds like a minor technicality unlike regular Boxing where records seem to matter more
    with so many different rules n organizations not surprising there are discrepancies
     
  10. ichibang

    ichibang Black Belt

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    I never really care much about kickboxing record outside major organization really.
    Many fighters won't tell people about their losses in early career, trying to keep
    that loses as few as possible I guess.
     
  11. Hagelslag2

    Hagelslag2 Brown Belt

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    Van Roosmalen's wiki record is definitely not complete. I know, because I made that wiki page. I found most results on Dutch sites, but I couldn't fight any from before 2004. Robin has been fighting since approximately the age of 6, so his total record, including all fights in all rule sets and organisations is more than a 100.
     

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