Why don't they allow/do submissions in Olympic Judo?

[KnockUpArtist]

This frustrates me that they don't perform the more realistic, real-world version of Judo in the Olympics. Anyway, what's the reason for them not allowing/doing them there?

Enlighten me as I know very little of it.

 

[Sambo234]

i was under the impression that they do...

 

[Greasemonk]

Yeah, I thought they allowed them too?

 

[AO]

um what?

 

[t-dizzle]

If you mean allowing more time on the ground to set up your subs, then i agree with you, but lets not pretend that there aren't submissions in olympic judo

 

[KnockUpArtist]

I thought it was pinning moves and ippons?

 

[Sambo234]

submissions are a form of ippon...

pins,subs, and textbook takedowns are considered ippons if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Balto]

Submissions are used all the time in Olympic Judo.

How much Olympic Judo do you watch?

 

[KnockUpArtist]

the clips of which I saw had overzealous refs who 'ipponed' people quite easily, the simplest slam or trip scoring one. it made me question if there were any submissions involved given how easily people scored these. even half-arsed pins were getting ippons. made me think poorly of Olympic Judo for sure.

 

[J Storm**]

proves how much someone knows when all their knowledge comes from youtube.

 

[georgejjr]

the clips of which I saw had overzealous refs who 'ipponed' people quite easily, the simplest slam or trip scoring one. it made me question if there were any submissions involved given how easily people scored these. even half-arsed pins were getting ippons. made me think poorly of Olympic Judo for sure.

In the 80's they changed scoring, so any throw that lands someone flat on their back is an ippon. It was a big change from before, and there's a lot of judo people who were unhappy about it as well. Having said that, you try to take down olympic level judoka that way ... it takes incredible skill to do it. Even BJJ champions (for instance) are as likely to get judo champions to the ground at all (let alone an with an ippon) as judo champions are to submit BJJ champions ... that is, it just doesn't happen. With both guys wearing gi's, international level judo folks are almost impossible to takedown or throw, which is why they started giving points for light throws ... it sped up the matches. Judo is throws and throw defense, BJJ is submissions and submission defense, and the champions are incredibly good at what they do.

Which is the whole point of cross training ... you should hear how poorly some judo folk think of BJJ because of butt scooting and poor takedowns/throws. Both complaints are beside the point. BJJ'ers rule judo folks on the ground, but have no way to get judo folks to the ground. Judo folks can get BJJ folks to the ground, but don't want to go there. It's kind of a stalemate. And then us sneaky folk crosstrain

 

[judogido]

proves how much someone knows when all their knowledge comes from youtube.

LOL :icon_chee:icon_chee:icon_chee pwned.

Once again::::>> Judo rules are geared to STANDING grappling, NOT ground grappling. Judo is all about the throw. The judo groundwork is short and fast and not often shown in a HL (aside from the HL I just posted in another thread) because judo throws are what judo people want to see - more exciting.

Plus pins finish a match - so that again reduces the number of possible subs you might see because judoka wont transition from a pin to try and get a sub.

Freaking hell - if you wanna see groundwork & subs - watch BJJ HLs - not judo HLs. It would be like me whining about the poor throws in BJJ HLs - just plain stupid.

 

[T K O]

Come on guys, Olympic combat sports are always watered down. They do allow slams though.

 

[judogido]

Come on guys, Olympic combat sports are always watered down. They do allow slams though.

Watered down? Damn - if you've ever been in a decent judo competition, you might not say that. They sure dont feel watered-down when you're in them. You generally dont walk away from a judo competition going: "Damn - that was so watered-down, they need to go a bit more hard-core".... :icon_chee

 

[Sir Chomps-alot]

Watered down? Damn - if you've ever been in a decent judo competition, you might not say that. They sure dont feel watered-down when you're in them. You generally dont walk away from a judo competition going: "Damn - that was so watered-down, they need to go a bit more hard-core".... :icon_chee

You're the F'n man

 

[blanko]

yea judo slams are painful.. the only thing that's worse is a greco slam... pain.

 

[yoder]

LOL :icon_chee:icon_chee:icon_chee pwned.

Freaking hell - if you wanna see groundwork & subs - watch BJJ HLs - not judo HLs. It would be like me whining about the poor throws in BJJ HLs - just plain stupid.

lol...laying down the friggin law!

 

[KnockUpArtist]

LOL :icon_chee:icon_chee:icon_chee pwned.

Once again::::>> Judo rules are geared to STANDING grappling, NOT ground grappling. Judo is all about the throw. The judo groundwork is short and fast and not often shown in a HL (aside from the HL I just posted in another thread) because judo throws are what judo people want to see - more exciting.

Plus pins finish a match - so that again reduces the number of possible subs you might see because judoka wont transition from a pin to try and get a sub.

Freaking hell - if you wanna see groundwork & subs - watch BJJ HLs - not judo HLs. It would be like me whining about the poor throws in BJJ HLs - just plain stupid.

I watched these clips on a show called olympic treasures on the telly.

lol not owned:redface:

 

[judogido]

I watched these clips on a show called olympic treasures on the telly.

lol not owned:redface:

-meh, same shit, different smell.

Question is though: why think poorly of Olympic Judo? Because it doesnt have much groundwork or subs? I mean - would a boxer think poorly of Olympic Judo because it didnt have strikes?

Judo is just not a big ground grappling art. It is mainly standing. So if you are disappointed because you were expecting to see a lot of ground-grappling that's a bit silly. Like I said before, It's like me being disappointed about watching some BJJ and complaining about the lack of standing work, or the quality of the takedowns.

If you are complaining about the lack of time given in judo to fight on the ground, then yes I agree with you - it would be nice to have some more ground time. But not so much that it takes too much away from the standing part, because that is what judo is famous for.

 

[Rinksterk**]

Watered down? Damn - if you've ever been in a decent judo competition, you might not say that. They sure dont feel watered-down when you're in them. You generally dont walk away from a judo competition going: "Damn - that was so watered-down, they need to go a bit more hard-core".... :icon_chee

damn dude, go easy on the kid :icon_lol: