Why don't mma fans pay attention to competition

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  1. FutureBwChamp

    FutureBwChamp Blue Belt

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    Yes this is a rant. I remember when Hector Lombard was in Bellator there were fans saying he was going to come over and dust Anderson Silva, Urijah Hall was gonna come fight for the title because he koed cans out cold and the list goes on. Cyborg for example there are people saying she kills anyone but Ronda or she kills her too. You do realize if Cat Zingano fought all of Cyborg's competition we could all go OMG she is the one to beat Ronda. Why do sherdoggers and mma fans jump on the trains so fast when they just see someone crushing bodies regardless of who those bodies are. Super annoying! Competition matters go put Bisping in Bellator and pretend he never had a UFC career and you will get fans going omg this guy would crush Weidman if he got in the UFC. Stop just stop
     
  2. Mondo Freaks

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    That is why Jon Jones is the GOAT.
     
  3. fightdonttweet

    fightdonttweet Banned Banned

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    Because most mma fans are simple-minded.
     
  4. Cro Cop Is Back

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    Because McGOAT is GOAT.
     
  5. skold

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    I can answer this:

    Ronda makes Sherdoggers go full retard
     
  6. Singlelegsweep

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    For the most part they do, because most promotions can not compete with the UFC so when fighters get a rep they usually get approached by Zuffa and ether make the jump or are perceived as avoiding top competition. It's easy to tell some orgs are weak when people like Paul Harris come over and win title's after being very average in the UFC

    But there are exceptions. Such as Shogun, Nog, Anderson and Rampage coming from Pride and winning titles. Or Werdum, DC and Lawler coming from Strikeforce and winning championships.

    You just have to use your eyes and speculate. And keep in mind that fighters get Better/Worse as time goes on. And keep in mind that almost every UFC champion came to the UFC after winning titles in other, smaller, promotions, Such as McGregor who was a Cage Warriors champion 3 years ago and is now 6-0 in The UFC and interim champ.

    Common Sense
     
  7. The Bard

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    Speaking of paying attention to competition, what about Ronda's competition impresses you so much that you can disparage Cyborg's competition?

    I mean, I agree with the overall point of your post, but Ronda's competition is total shit. There are roughly five athletes in the world in her weight class who can train MMA full-time, and the rest of her competition are full-time participants in other roles: employees, mothers, etc. and are basically MMA hobbyists.

    At least Cyborg stepped in for a Muay Thai fight against a top-level striker. Ronda's last fight was against an accountant who started fighting three years ago after she realized she didn't want to sit in her daddy's company's office 40 hours per week, eventually taking up MMA training as a joke to spite him. Not even two years ago, she eked out a split decision win against a fighter who ended the night on a four fight losing streak.

    Ronda's competition has been absolute garbage.

    That all aside, Anderson's competition was pretty shitty for a guy with such an accomplished record. Bones' competition was mediocre. Werdum's competition level, on the other hand, has been great. Weidman's as well, so far. Same with Robbie, but people shit on him for having lost a lot of fights. MMA fans are just idiots: they respect great records against good opponents more than good records against great opponents.
     
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    This is the way of the world get used to it my friend
     
  9. skold

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    Well, Rondas competition is years ahead of Cyborgs... I mean, shit on Bethe all you want, but Cyborg defended her :redface:"title" :redface: against a 38 year old with a 6-5 record.. who started MMA only a year before Bethe

    No one is arguing that Rondas competition is great, he is simply pointing out that people shit on Ronda for the competition she is fighting, but praise Cyborg for beating MUCH MUCH MUCH lower competition in MUCH LESS impressive fashion
     
  10. MotorcycleMir

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    A huge example of this happening lately was when Tim Means was fighting Matt Brown. People were saying Means had too much momentum from his win streak and Brown was on the decline which I found absolutely ridiculous. Brown's "decline" consisted of 2 decision losses to the current champion and the former champion (lost the belt by by split decision) and Means' win streak consisted over guys who weren't in the top 30.

    Other recent examples: Neil Magny (no proven takedown defense) vs Maia, Cathal vs Howard, OSP vs Glover, and the list goes on. Many people simply gloss over fighters' records and pick whatever fighter has more green than red; it's mind boggling
     
  11. Boxingislife

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    And then theres the most important thing that "people" like you miss. CONTEXT

    Of the big names on Jones resume, how many were in their prime when Jones beat them? Or were at their best? Or came into the fight with a winning streak of more then 3?

    THAT is WHY Jones is the most over rated fighter in history

    Most of the "big name" opponents Jones beat WERE NOT at their best when Jones beat them

    On top of that, they were all significantly smaller then Jones

    Jones was a hypejob who came along at the perfect time, right place - as the big names started fading

    Its a shame that GUS was the only other young LHW coming up at the same time as Jones

    And suprise suprise...Jones was beaten to near death by Gus..Not only was Gus the first to match Jones in youth, he matched Jones in size. The first time Jones has to rely on skill to win Jones gets mangled. Jones was exposed badly by Gus

    On top of having an over rated resume in terms of actual significance and not just names on paper, Jones was exposed to be nothing but size, reach, youth and clinch wrestling

    Jones belongs NO WHERE near the GOAT conversation.

    To keep things into persepective, someone like Wanderlie has more TKOs then Jones has total fights too

    The only "people" calling Jones any kind of GOAT are the kool-aid drinkers who started watching MMA recently and who ignore history/precedent/context
     
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    Your hatred of Jones is absurd.

    Jones won the LHW championship after only a few years of MMA training. His accomplishments in the sport are incredible, and it's sad people like you work so hard to discredit them.

    Shogun had just KO'd Machida. Rampage was in the best shape he'd been in years. Rashad was definitely not washed up. Machida was still within his prime. Vitor was at the height of his TRT reign. Glover was on a 20 fight winning streak. DC is still one of the best in the world, at HW or LHW.

    The Gus fight was very close. Jones got hit in the face a lot and got out-boxed by Gus. However, Jones landed hard kicks to Gus's body all night and during the final round Jones was the one with more gas in the tank and was landing very hard head and body kicks. Gus looked ready to collapse. It was a tough fight for both fighters and any comments you can make about Jones fighting smaller opponents and struggling against someone his size can also made about Gus. So, either both fighters were "exposed" or both fighters just fought someone who's a difficult stylistic match up for them.

    Jones doesn't have great boxing, and you're letting that cloud your judgement of Jones.

    He's not a great boxer, but he most definitely is a great MMA fighter. If you can't see that, then your hatred is blinding you.
     
  13. Boxingislife

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    To continue, as a matter of fact, I would say that Conor from this UFC debut up to winning his interium belt, has already been far more impressive than Jones ever was from his UFC debut up to winning his title.

    Jones struggled against Gusmao and O'Brien looking awful. Jones then eeked out a 2-1 decision over Bonnar. Jones had beaten NO ONE but Bader up until he was gifted a title shot due to Rashad's injury

    Meanwhile on the other hand Conor on his path to his title shot SCHOOLED a legit skilled PRIME Holloway like nobody's business.

    Holloway>>>>>>any opponent Jones had ever fought until his title shot (That alone tops any opponent Jones had ever beaten until winning the belt)

    Yet on top of that Conor also schooled a PRIME Poirier like nobody's business.

    Holloway and Poirier >>>>>>>>Bonnar/Vera/Bader in skill, cordination, IQ etc

    Then Conor won his title by beating a PRIME Mendez - one of the p4p best wrestlers in MMA who just 2 fights before had taken Aldo to the brink. And Conor out skilled and out classed that calibre of opponent far more impressively then even Aldo did

    Jones won his title off of an injuried coming off surgery Shogun

    Conor from his debut to winning the belt showcased far more legit skill - more impressively dominating far better more skilled opponents who were actually PRIME

    Where as, again, Jones beat no one but Bader until his gift title shot. He beat an injuried Shogun to win the title and since then has been beating fading names, while getting exposed by Gus and while 4 of his last 5 fights have been decisions.

    When Conor smashes Aldo he's going to shit on anything Jones has ever done

    Jones (along with Anderson) are the most over rated fighters in MMA history
     
  14. MilesAbove

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    While I'm on your side about the context... you can't say he's "nowhere near" the GOAT conversation. I hate the GOAT topic, but gun to my head he's in the Top5 with a little debate. Top10 of all time 100% for sure.

    Fedor, Ando, GSP, Aldo, Hendo, BJ, Wandy, Hughes, Tamura, Sylvia... I'm sure Im missing a couple.
     
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    Yeah it's always after 1 loss on an otherwise sterling record. Then they become Can's, Has-Beens, Never-was's and my favorite They were "Exposed".
     
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    Lol you should've stopped at Tamura... You forgot Gomi, Edgar, and Big Nog
     
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    Most of the time what you say is true, but then, sometimes, guys from the smaller organization are just as good. Sometimes.

    Remember how people use to make fun of the WEC LW champs (and contenders) - Pettis, Bendo, Cerrone?

    I remember people used to say, oh yeah, the WEC champ, awesome, they are now officially the 51st ranked fighter in the world (assuming there were 50 LWs in the UFC).
     
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