Why doesn't Chris Weidman get credit for beating Anderson Silva?

Why doesn't Chris Weidman get credit for beating Anderson Silva?


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The ppl in this thread saying Silva would no doubt win in his prime, the guy was past it but still clowning guys left and right.

Why then did Chris completely dominate from start to finish?
Could it just be that chris' style was a problem for Silva prime or not?

It's crazy this guy destroyed one of the goats twice and yet to this day they can't just accept a prime weidman had his number.
 
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I mean he landed a good punch when old Silva was being a goof, hats off to him but if Silva didn't decide to clown around so much, even old Silva still would have won that fight. Fuck around and find out is a fitting description of course. Also if you listen to the way Silva was talking before the fight it did not sound good, sounded like he didn't want to be there. I had a bad feeling about this one and as a Silva fan I didn't watch. Felt like he was going to knock Silva out.
It was like that for me. I remember all of the interviews with other fighters who said that Weidman was going to win as well. All things considered, it really wasn't even that big of an upset at the time. That was probably the closest odds had ever been for a Silva fight.

Weidman went on a beast run early on. He was a killer.
Yeah, as little credit as I give him for this fight in particular, people really underestimate how much of a prodigy he was considered to be at the time. It was pretty much accepted that he was better than GSP in terms of skill. And then there were a lot of people who thought he could move up and beat Jones.
 
He got tons of credit at the time. And for beating Vitor and Lyoto as well. All three were huge wins. People thought he was the future of the division. And in a way, he was. I mean, he had an amazing run, beating three all-time greats back to back. Nothing can erase that. I'm not a fan, but it is what it is.
Which is insane because people were saying Lyoto and Vitor were old when Jones beat them.
 
What if I told you Anderson was favored in both Weidman fights…mind blowing right?

Funny how this became the narrative afterwards…

Silva was a -250 favorite and no one was talking about him being old and past his prime prior to the fight. Hell he was the favorite in the rematch too.

It's pure revisionist history. Anderson being the favorite in the 2nd fight tells you everything.
Yeah, do me a favor and compare that to the odds for other Silva fights. Silva was the most popular fighter in MMA at the time and really only insiders knew who Weidman was. So for it to even be that close, that should let you know something.
 
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Of course they could have but they didn't.

Hendo was submitted.

Cheal choked, then put up a bullshit argument he didn't tap.

That's a silly argument guys we just talked about were all wrestlers.

There's no way to tell what would have happened vs GSP.

My whole point with mentioning those fights is because it showed a clear strategy to beat Silva. Even though he improved his wrestling, his weakness was always pressure wrestlers who weren't afraid to walk him down. There weren't many great wrestlers in the MW division at the time (compared to WW), but if there were, they likely would have capitalized on all the tape they had on Silva to use one of the guy's strategy's I mentioned.

Lyoto had a similar problem where once he was found out, his aire of invincibility wore off and he was never the same.

Styles make fights, and Weidman had the best combination of the above fighter's skillset to beat him.
 
He does with me. I think a lot of the narratives trying to discount Chris's wins retroactively are #1 bullsheeit.

Like, had age prevented Chris from facing the absolute peak version of Anderson? Yeah, probably.

How far was Anderson beyond his peak? We don't know, we can only speculate.

Would Chris have still beaten Anderson in his absolute prime? Again, we can only speculate.

But none of this dismisses the facts of what actually happened: Chris did what no one else up to that point had managed to do inside the UFC by not only beating Silva, but finishing him. No one looked at Silva as an old victim ripe for the harvest at the time. He was still winning fights and in dominant fashion against solid competition until Weidman came along. So what actually happened in each fight?

In the first bout, Chris won Round 1 on every scorecard. Chris outstruck and outgrappled Anderson cleanly. In Round 2, it was basically tit-for-tat with Anderson beginning to go after Chris's legs to the exclusion of all else and trying to clown on him... until he got cracked. Now people at the time and today talk about the fight as if Anderson was piecing Chris up and began feeling himself too much, began playing with his food, and paid the price for his complacency. That isn't what happened... like, at all. Anderson didn't have the momentum or control of the fight. He was losing on the cards and was trying to make something happen by trying other shit out: the low kicks and taunting, likely trying to draw bad reactions out of Weidman. However, where this had worked for him before, against Weidman it didn't. This is not an indictment on Chris. He was winning the fight, forced the champ to make a bad decision, and capitalized on that bad decision. Clean win.

The narrative surrounding the rematch is even more infuriating. People say "it was a freak injury!" as if Anderson slipped on a banana peel en route to the Octagon. No, Chris talked very specifically about how Silva's low kicks were one of the few things in the first fight that had given him pause, thus he and his team wanted to be better prepared to counter that weapon for the second bout. A large portion of Weidman's training camp was accordingly spent on checking leg kicks. Anderson threw a low kick, Chris checked it... and we all know what happened next. Now this is where people screech "BUT CHECKS DON'T NORMALLY DO THAT!" and I can't help but laugh. Checking kicks is literally done with the intent of mitigating damage to your legs while simultaneously damaging the kicking leg of your opponent, either injuring them or at the very least deterring them from throwing that weapon willy-nilly in the future. Insisting that checks are only allowed to do X amount of damage until they're considered a fluke is literally some of the worst cope imaginable.

Imagine if someone argued that because the jab is primarily a punch used to set up other weapons/find one's range and not a power punch, any finishing sequence initiated by a guy getting rocked by a jab is inherently a fluke and thus "doesn't count". They would be laughed off of Sherdog. Yet when it comes to someone checking a kick with intent to damage the opponent's leg and achieving the one goal it is meant to do, we make an exception?! GTFO.

I'll admit that it's true a lot of Silva fans were making up excuses. But don't you think that's a little warranted given the aura around him as a fighter at the time? People didn't think he was human at that point. So the idea that he could even age let alone be past his prime was inconceivable. We also have to acknowledge the insanity coming from the crowd that had it out for Anderson the entire time and were waiting patiently for years, for him to lose. They finally got what they wanted but started to push what they were saying a little too far. Suddenly, Chris Weidman is flatout a better striker than even prime Anderson Silva and he would have always beaten him easily. Rational thought would tell you he was only able to do that due to diminished reflxes and his grappling. And then now with hindsight, we can see based on how Chris faired standing with Jacare, Romero, Rockhold-- that he's really not on that level with his hands. But yeah, he will always match up well with strikers who have no wrestling.
 
I'll admit that it's true a lot of Silva fans were making up excuses. But don't you think that's a little warranted given the aura around him as a fighter at the time? People didn't think he was human at that point. So the idea that he could even age let alone be past his prime was inconceivable. We also have to acknowledge the insanity coming from the crowd that had it out for Anderson the entire time and were waiting patiently for years, for him to lose. They finally got what they wanted but started to push what they were saying a little too far. Suddenly, Chris Weidman is flatout a better striker than even prime Anderson Silva and he would have always beaten him easily. Rational thought would tell you he was only able to do that due to diminished reflxes and his grappling. And then now with hindsight, we can see based on how Chris faired standing with Jacare, Romero, Rockhold-- that he's really not on that level with his hands. But yeah, he will always match up well with strikers who have no wrestling.

Chris didn't go on his initial tear because of his hands, it was primarily his wrestling that helped set up his hands. You had to be around back then to understand what was happening with the UFC MW division and how it severely lacked good wrestlers.

Prior to 2008, the MW division didn't really have any top level wrestlers. It was mostly filled with strikers and BJJ grapplers. The best wrestler was Hendo after he came over from Pride and lost the LHW title fight with Rampage. But this was also the version of Hendo who was doing more striking and would go for bodylock takedowns over shooting doubles (Anderson's true weakness). Hendo was Anderson's best win up to that point. Prior, he was beating lesser strikers or BJJ fighters like Chris Leben, Rich Franklin, Travis Lutter,James Irvin, Nate Marquardt, Patrick Cote, Thales Leites, Forrest Griffin, and Demian Maia. Only one of those fighters had a wrestling pedigree prior to MMA, and that was Travis Lutter, who had the most success with Anderson until Hendo.

Fast forward to 2010, and Chael goes on a 3 fight tear to get his first title shot. That 3 fight tear was against non wrestlers Marquardt and Yushin Okami. The other fighter was Dan Miller who wrestled, but was not a stand out fighter. After Chael loses, he again beats non wrestlers Brian Stann and Michael Bisping to get a second shot at Anderson. Anderson wins and then goes on to face Stephan Bonnar and win. Anderson's next two fights are then against Weidman.

Everyone back then knew styles made fights, and it was only a matter of time until Anderson faced a wrestler that would give him trouble. And after Weidman won, he was still one of the only good wrestlers in that division, hence why he had success at MW. These were the MW rankings back in 2014...notice how only one of them is a wrestler?

1. Chris Weidman
2. Lyoto Machida
3. Ronaldo Souza
4. Anderson Silva
5. Luke Rockhold
6. Tim Kennedy
6. Gegard Mousasi
8. Yushin Okami
9. Michael Bisping
10. C.B. Dollaway

People want to discredit Weidman, but he had the perfect style for the division at the time.
 
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