Why does Nick Diaz 'move the needle' but Nate Diaz not so much?

Nick Diaz is simply more charismatic and interesting. Nick is an original who doesn't give a crap about MMA politics. Nate is kind of a follower of Nick and just isn't as charismatic. Charisma is one of those things that you either have or you don't. You can't really measure it or learn it.
 
Nick says things that frequently require a rewind to thoroughly appreciate.
 
TheNinja said:
Nick Diaz is simply more charismatic and interesting. Nick is an original who doesn't give a crap about MMA politics. Nate is kind of a follower of Nick and just isn't as charismatic. Charisma is one of those things that you either have or you don't. You can't really measure it or learn it.
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This.
 
Andre Xiong said:
He also drew the ire and attention of WW kingpin and uber needle mover GSP, who helped to hype up Diaz by playing along and announcing how much he hated Diaz.
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this all day, he wasn't that big of a deal until he got under the money maker's skin. All the advertising going into the original ppv where he was supposed to face gsp, then Condit title fight, and then finally the gsp fight.
 
Unlike Nate, Nick is willing to bet on himself by going elsewheres. The UFC apparently doesn't have to argue with Nate to stay.
 
Why does Peyton Manning move the needle but Cooper Manning not so much?
 
Nick was a free agent and had some power to negotiate good pay when he returned from Strikeforce. Nate was locked into a UFC contract and fought tougher competition for less money and recognition. Also, as others have mentioned, Nick came first, and he looks/sounds tougher.
 
I think because he's not as angry and mean and not a humorous.
 
Airdack said:
IDK if Diaz vs Daley was a favorable match up considering one mistake in the standup would be the deciding factor in catching an atomic left hook or not. Very risky fight that Diaz dominated. He outboxxed Gomi high (his levels where so high when he failed that doctors said there was no way he wasn't high in the ring).

He's an extremely entertaining striker who was put up against other exciting fighters to make spectacular fights. Whats the point of putting him with a wrestler to watch him get taken down and play in guard all fight. Not much a bjj specialist can do when hes fighting a grinding wrestler with good sub defense. Would have killed his marketability.

I guess fans tend to forget MMA is sports entertainment just like pro wrestling, which hinges on creating drama and exciting fights on paper so they can draw the casuals in. Casual fans makes up most of the viewership sadly.
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I never get why people make these comparisons. Its more like Boxing then fake wrestling. Wrestling is scripted and MMA is not. The two are not the same thing.

The top fighters (like Nick fans clam him to be) face the top fighters. If you think that Nick only should face good match ups that make "exciting" fights (even though his two most exciting fights were against guys that wanted to take him down. Karo and Diego) then you are saying he is not a top fighter (which was my point).

And there are plenty of fighters that have done just fine against wrestlers
 
tombombadil said:
Nick's better. He could potentially beat top fighters.
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Yet he never does at WW (he beat Gomi though) he always loses to the top fighters. Nates win over Cowboy and Miller are better then any win Nick has at WW. And don't bring up Lawler because he was not a top fighter at the time
 
Someone needs to instigate a feud between the two, and have the ultimate brother vs brother showdown.
 
Nick has been around longer, fought in bigger fights, fought in other organizations and was a champion in Strikeforce.
 
peralez said:
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Are you going to post any of him actually beating good fighters? Cyborg, Old Penn, losing to Condit, lol come on. Nate has more impressive wins over actual ranked fighters like Cowboy, Miller and Gray

At least post his gogo over Gomi
 
That209 said:
Nick has hyped his fights up better and has had better fights overall and has fought the better guys on a constant basis or whatever.

Look at GSP/Nick, that fight sold so much not because of GSP, but because of Nick. People probably won't believe it but isn't it one of the biggest PPV's they ever had? if Nick didn't talk the way he did or get a rise out of GSP the way he did, it wouldn't have sold as much. Nick is just as much the reason that sold so much as GSP is.

Nate has never hyped a fight like that, never put on a fight that big before and probably never will because there's just no GSP-like stars around, the guy is basically one of a kind and Nick got the chance to make that shit happen with him.



Nate is losing to guys like RDA (wasn't even close to 100% in the fight) and Nick is fighting, and probably losing to GOAT's like GSP and Anderson Silva. If Nick wasn't getting those fights, he wouldn't be as much of a 'needle mover' either.

Nick seems to know how to work the system a little better than Nate. He knows how to make fights bigger and hype them up better than Nate does. The hype for Nate/Cerrone is probably the best in terms of hype for Nate, in my opinion, and man, that was a great fight for us Diaz fans! if Nate could do more of that, he'd definitely be a 'needle mover'.



And all in all, sometimes it's just that one guy will always do better than the other and there's no great reason for it. There's almost always the one brother who will be a bigger star than the other. Like Fedor/Alex, Fedor is the GOAT, obviously, but Alex was a great fighter and all but he'll be just known as, "Fedor's brother, the guy who got KTFO by Cro Cop and is being charged with rape", even though that's not the best definition of the guy. That's just how it is, it seems.
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No he isn't and its just stupid to even suggest that. Nick helped allot, but GSP could have/has done those numbers with a few other fighters. GSP is the only fighter in the world Nick could have fought that would get him even close to the numbers he put up against GSP.
 
FEDORRULEZ said:
nick has much better resume. strikeforce champion with many defences
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Pretty sure Nate has as many, or more top 10 wins than Nick. Maynard, Cerrone, Miller for Nate and just Daley & Penn for Nick. I guess you could count Gomi and they'd be even.

Nick is more popular because he's been around way longer and is way more controversial. And because people love can crushers more than they love people fighting elite competition constantly.
 
nick was the original stockton bad boy .. his history in pride and strikeforce and his more memorable fights stand out more than nates bitching and attitude.. also nate has looked bad in his last few outings..

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