Why does Koscheck hate Javier so much?

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  1. Ogata

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    I know Javier said that he made a coaching mistake by blaming Josh for not following the game plan after a loss and Javier admitted that was a wrong thing to do and apologized. But it seems like Koscheck is saying its more than that and he keeps bad mouthing him as well as wanting to Javier to die in a fire along with his gym.



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    What's the backstory of that photo? Haha wtf.
     
  3. Ogata

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    They have mutual friends and in parties and gatherings they run in to each other. Javier usually avoids going in to parties because he doesn't want drama but after few times he decides to go since he feels like enough time has passed and that Koscheck has cooled off. It seems like he was wrong and Koscheck is holding a grudge...
     
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    probably because javier peed on him while he was asleep and called him a fatherless bastard.
     
  5. The lord of bones

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    Koscheck is bitter because he's not good enough to be in the UFC.
     
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    He was bitter when he was still in the UFC.
     
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    Kos is just a douche. Always has been always will be.
     
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    That pic is awesome lol.
     
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    Koscheck seems to have the mentality of a 14 year old girl. Listening to his little hissy fits about the guy makes me wonder how any grown man could be so obsessed with someone else. If I’m not mistaken, his downward spiral started about the same time. His plan of growing his gym to be bigger and better than AKA (because all the fighters would follow him) didn’t work out so well.
     
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    Josh was one of the first guys in MMA making good money that was clearly spending it too quickly. Prior to his rematch with GSP, he had a mansion, Ferrari, and an AIRPLANE! It seemed pretty obvious back then that the guy was going to panic once the money stopped flowing in. As soon as he started losing, he switched camps and bad mouthed the old one. After 5 straight loses he gets cut and starts bad mouthing the UFC. I was always a big fan of his, but he is one of those guys that can't take responsibility for his own situation.
     
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    I'm sure Javier sent Woodley a thank you card when you unleashed the right hand of doom and split Koscheck's goofy fraggle wig.

    Woodley looks like he just got let out of the pen early on a 10-year charge and walked in on Kos banging his old lady.

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    He was one of the reasons I always had a hard time buying the “UFC doesn’t pay shit” arguments. Koscheck was clearly making a LOT more than his disclosed pay.
     
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    I am not disputing anything that you are saying here. I am also believing that you were the other big fan of Josh (beside myself) from the start. With that said, and out of the way, Josh was winning but getting more "LnP/ blanket" horse crap critique that anyone in the game when he was winning. (I was also a big fan or Jake O'Brien).

    Josh started gaining acceptance and started catching far less "flack" from the masses when he abandoned his bread and butter that kept him in the "W" column and started his free fall from the top echelon of the sport. I can assume the negative press did have some impact on the outrageously unsuccessful transition from successful "boring" fighter to fan favorite style loser, but it takes more than that IMO.

    If it were my coach that forced me to abandon my hated winning style to being loved for watching my teeth get shoved down my face, I would spit venom. I might not wish that he died in a fire, but I would wish his dik fell off and he suffer from the worst case of lifetime hemorrhoids this planet has ever seen!
     
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    Well in that case he wasn't awake to hear it
     
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    That don't look right
     
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    I think your memory is clouded. He abandoned his wrestling style years before his losing streak started.
     
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    Well you got me thinking, so I did glance at his record. He lost 1 fight to long time veteran Drew Fickett who was in his 31st professional MMA fight in his 5th professional fight.

    He was 9-1 when he wrestle raped the favorite son of TUF Diego Sanchez. You have either lost your mind, or are just "joking" if you don't see that you are WRONG.

    He tried to stand with GSP the following fight (for whatever reason) and wound up actually getting wrestle fucked himself. FFS dude, he has STOPPED training Wrestling entirely at that point, and that is not me making S up. It was stated that that was indeed the case!

    He bangs with Hazzellet and KO's him like he was a Kickboxer or something. I don't know if the middle letter of his camp AKA had anything to do with that or not.

    You are just wrong in either case.
     
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    It's worth seeking out the (I think it was 6-part?) AKA documentary; it follows the whole divorce -- Koscheck is Koscheck, but Mendez also comes out looking very badly. For now:

    “This goes back from quite a bit, and history repeats itself. Whenever you have a guy for example whenever I had the loss against (Thiago) Alves and I took the fight on short notice with him, and after the fight I had a lot of friends come up to me and calling me saying ‘have you read this interview with Javier Mendez?’ and talking about me and my game plan,” Koscheck said.

    “So I went online and I read this interview and I started to notice after all my teammates lost, it was the same thing. They didn’t listen to the game plan, that he deferred it away from himself, and he threw us under the bus basically saying that we didn’t listen to him and he tries to make himself look good, so it doesn’t reflect on him us losing."

    “I’ve lost a lot of respect for Javier Mendez as a coach, as a person, because if you go back and listen to the history of the interviews of him after AKA guys have lost, the interviews he does, go back and look at the Cain Velasquez (fight), go back and look at the Josh Koscheck (fight), the other guys on that team, and see if you can find interviews where he refers to ‘Oh I did my job’ to make himself look good and they didn’t do theirs. That’s not a coach.”

    “Bob Cook and Dave Camarillo they’re always responsible and they take their share of wins and losses and that’s what you’ve got to love about those guys,” stated Koscheck. “Bob Cook and Dave Camarillo, they’re loyal. You lose, guess what it was all of our faults, they take the brunt of that. Javier is more concerned about the camp, and looking good, and who’s going to be the next guy to bring him money. I just can’t be around that anymore.”

    “There was a lot of poison going on around there and I’m really disappointed because we had a good thing going. It was a good thing and I think people’s egos got in the way. Well, not people just Javier, his ego got in the way, and too many cameras in the gym and him trying to build himself up and his brand, his AKA brand, which is fine I understand that, but it should never take precedence over training guys. As a head coach of a gym and he says he’s the man, he’s the boss over there, he should have the responsibility to make the fighters as best as we possibly could be, but he never did that.”

    "“Javier Mendez is the only reason I’m leaving."


    http://www.mmaweekly.com/josh-koscheck-reveals-the-reason-why-he-left-aka
     
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