Why does it matter who moves forward?

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  1. Karuzo Banned Banned

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    I don't understand.

    If a fighter is moving forward the whole time but also walking into his opponents shots without landing much of his own, why is it a positive that he moved forward?
     
  2. WhiteMousse Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    It doesn't matter. It's just what he's saying to validate his shitty judging.

    It is one of many things to be considered in judging and it is very low on the ladder in priority.
     
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    That decision won't be reverse,
    hope for a rematch and move on.

    Sherdog doesn't need 2000 threads on this today....
     
  4. Madmick Zugzwang Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Because for a fight to take place offense must be initiated. Otherwise, it would be a 2-man game of tag where neither man is "It". Pointless.

    I had Reyes, btw, but I've always understood why octagon control is awarded consideration, and often decides very close fights when there is little else. Running isn't fighting. You must attack.
     
  5. Medulla Omoplata Mayberry Comptroller

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    In theory it's a way to tie-break even rounds by favoring the fighter who is seen as pushing the action.
    Unfortunately in reality it's sometimes a cop out for lazy judges.
     
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    I guess judges like it when fighters force action to happen, which is what moving forward does.
     
  7. Hirashin This is not a profession Banned

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    still undefeated and moving forward
     
  8. Karuzo Banned Banned

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    I don't think you understand, I'm not asking whether a decision will be reversed or not, I am asking why it counts as a positive that one fighter moves forward?

    Perhaps you misread or posted in the wrong thread.
     
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    Who the fuck knows, at the end of the day these judges should be replaced with cameras that don’t look down, make it happen Musk..
     
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  11. THEfightsAREfixed you can do it

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    Because it's inherently lame to run away during a fight so you should have do a lot to make up for the fact you're retreating
     
  12. Rvd Slmr Silver Belt

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    Jones is the one that actually ran. Regardless of how important octagon control is supposed to be, I really don't see how, round by round, it was actually in the clear favour of Jones. Do we even have stats about it?
     
  13. Karuzo Banned Banned

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    But why? If a step forward results in you getting punched in the face, plus the step you took forward added more damage to the punch, how can that be a good thing?
     
  14. Karuzo Banned Banned

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    Then why do they teach us how to fight going backwards in boxing class?

    Shouldn't we purely be taught how to fight going forward if that's the case?

    Pretty sure that "running" is when you turn your back and actually run. I only saw Jones do that, not Reyes.
     
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    Utilizing different forms of movement isn't running you fucking weirdo
     
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    It doesn't if the fighter not pressing the action is picking the other one apart, but if he isn't, then being on the defensive and being dictated to indicates someone not in control of the fight.

    Reyes did not pick Jones apart, so in a close round where the striking seems pretty even, THEN that would be a factor.
     
  17. NoBiasJustMMA Steel Belt

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    Reyes attacked twice as much as Jones over the first 3 rounds.
     
  18. Karuzo Banned Banned

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    Reyes landed at least 7 more significant strikes per round in the first 3.

    Jones landed 7 more in round 4 then 5 more in round 5.

    As far as not being in control if the other is going forward, that's just not true. Some fighters prefer to be on the backfoot counterstriking instead of going forward. Some even intentionally bait you into going after them so they can counter.
     
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    That fight existed while Ocaton control was under the judging criteria, so nothing was avoided at all.
     
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    It doesn’t. If a fighter moving backwards scores a knockout should they lose because they were moving backwards?
     

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