Why do the best white boxers come from Eastern Europe?

[BangBang]

They work their tits off. Grind, grind and work harder than most of their western counterparts (not all, just on average).

I think it was Michael Montero talking about this on Tale of the tape boxing podcast on the Boxing Rant just prior to the GGG Canelo fight IIRC.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Isn't Canelo white?

Yes, he's also Latino.

 

[Square-Ring]

Some of the best boxers are Italians, but the truth is.
They're not good until they become Americans. Back
home they're champion soccer players.

 

[milenss]

Some of the best boxers are Italians, but the truth is.
They're not good until they become Americans. Back
home they're champion soccer players.

Americans aren't Italians. Same reason why Miocic is American, and not from Croatia.
Cro Cop is from Croatia.
Italy has no top talent in either boxing and mma, because ultimately... it's a shithole. (*Sorry for having to say it but is true)
Even Paulie got beat up by a real American.

 

[SandisLL]

Some of the best boxers are Italians, but the truth is.
They're not good until they become Americans.

Until in some larger US promotions, if correctly.
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Public is more interested about large promotion events.
Only then they get known more. Largest promotions ofc are some US and some european promotions.
Ofc if US does have 2-5 enough large promoters and Italy doesn't have large promoter, then for Italian boxer not that much difference, go to US or UK. US is large, more options to choose managers etc. Just because US is large country.
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home they're champion soccer players.

Them likes team sports, most likely due to payment methods in team sport.
Signup bonus, some $, then monthly $ almost like salary, you are better than expected, get bonus in end of year, better next contract.
Plus as in all team sports, team managment usually help deal with insurances etc and to negotiate better terms with Insurance companies, landlords and banks is easier for team manager that does have bunch with professionals under him not for single alone guy.

 

[defjaam]

Speaking of italian boxers, does anyone know why Roberto Cammarelle never turned pro? With his success as an amateur, it always seemed shady.

 

[RascalBird]

Eastern European fighters wouldn't appear on too many all time top 10 lists by weightclass. Usyk is a top 10 CW for sure. You could argue Wlad at 10 or so as a HW. I'll have to think about it more, but I don't think they would fare well against the USA.

 

[MoreKane]

Eastern European fighters wouldn't appear on too many all time top 10 lists by weightclass. Usyk is a top 10 CW for sure. You could argue Wlad at 10 or so as a HW. I'll have to think about it more, but I don't think they would fare well against the USA.

remember that Eastern Europeans could not go pro until the collapse of the USSR in the 90s

 

[Square-Ring]

FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE!

In my neck of the woods, eye-talions in the amateur division
have very good success rate. Do to there sketchy following
they can not pursue there goals. In there own ways they
succeeded with a fortune. As for example. REMEMBER WHEN MY
HENCHMEN PUT BULLET HOLES IN THE ROOF OF YOUR BAR?

 

[SandisLL]

remember that Eastern Europeans could not go pro until the collapse of the USSR in the 90s

Europe had far worse stuff before USSR.
Until World War 1 central and eastern europe & russian empire had pro wrestling and some pro boxing.
1914: World War 1.
Later economic impact after WW1, plenty of countries had also civil wars after WW1.
Soviet Union of course didn't allowed professional fighting.
Warshav pact countries too.
1992- socialism era ended.
Pro promotions didn't developed that fast in these countries.
Plus pro boxing in local level had high concurrence form KB and stuff for h2h & knockdown karate etc. At least in 90 ies.
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U.S entertainment orgs and entertainment fights market of course are suitable more for local US athletes: larger local fanbase in US etc.

 

[Hypetrainhipsta]

Speaking of italian boxers, does anyone know why Roberto Cammarelle never turned pro? With his success as an amateur, it always seemed shady.

He actually enjoys being a policeman and training youmg amateurs but yes, it's a shame. At least now there's Vianello who seems to be decent.

 

[zapataxiv]

You can see that hes not white. Too much style too be white

You’re right.
People look at this wrong because they don’t understand that race is a social construct. Biologically there really isn’t a difference between the races. Not to mention that Latino isn’t a race but an ethnic group..

So the only way to honestly discuss this is in a honest way. Is talk about canelo culturally. Culturally he is Mexican as he was raised in Mexico, speaks mexican Spanish, and has been raised as and identifies as a Mexican.

 

[revoltub]

You’re right.
People look at this wrong because they don’t understand that race is a social construct. Biologically there really isn’t a difference between the races. Not to mention that Latino isn’t a race but an ethnic group..

So the only way to honestly discuss this is in a honest way. Is talk about canelo culturally. Culturally he is Mexican as he was raised in Mexico, speaks mexican Spanish, and has been raised as and identifies as a Mexican.

He's white, doesn't make him any less mexican or latino But gotta call it like it is.

 

[zapataxiv]

He's white, doesn't make him any less mexican or latino But gotta call it like it is.

Except that doesn’t mean anything it’s all made up
He’s Mexican as in that is where he group and developed him into the person he is. Not his whiteness. Trying to claim his whiteness as anything is meaningless
Just as DeJulez said “our whites are better” he also is t denying whiteness but is acknowledging it.

 

[revoltub]

Except that doesn’t mean anything it’s all made up
He’s Mexican as in that is where he group and developed him into the person he is. Not his whiteness. Trying to claim his whiteness as anything is meaningless
Just as DeJulez said “our whites are better” he also is t denying whiteness but is acknowledging it.

If it was some french fighter or Italian fighter would you say the same thing?

Idk why people can't just say what they see with their own 2 eyes.

 

[Woldog]

Why are the best black boxers mostly of African Descent?

 

[zapataxiv]

If it was some french fighter or Italian fighter would you say the same thing?

Idk why people can't just say what they see with their own 2 eyes.

You mean if he was French guy tased in France I wouldn’t say he was French?
Because canelo is a Mexican guy raised in Mexico so I shouldn’t call him a Mexican?

As he is a product of the Mexican boxing system, education system and culture.

Why are the best black boxers mostly of African Descent?

Are they though Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Ali, Louis, Whitaker, Mayweather, and burley
Are black Americans they are products of the American boxing system the American culture and country. Hence the movement to change the name from African American to black American

 

[SandisLL]

If a guy box. I doesn't matters for me his colour or origin.

 

[Woldog]

You mean if he was French guy tased in France I wouldn’t say he was French?
Because canelo is a Mexican guy raised in Mexico so I shouldn’t call him a Mexican?

As he is a product of the Mexican boxing system, education system and culture.

Are they though Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Ali, Louis, Whitaker, Mayweather, and burley
Are black Americans they are products of the American boxing system the American culture and country. Hence the movement to change the name from African American to black American

I think you've missed the sarcasm of my post.

 

[revoltub]

You mean if he was French guy tased in France I wouldn’t say he was French?
Because canelo is a Mexican guy raised in Mexico so I shouldn’t call him a Mexican?

As he is a product of the Mexican boxing system, education system and culture.

Are they though Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Ali, Louis, Whitaker, Mayweather, and burley
Are black Americans they are products of the American boxing system the American culture and country. Hence the movement to change the name from African American to black American

I just meant, when referring to canelo as white you said race is a construct and White doesnt mean anything using is culture as evidence. But a french fighter also has his own culture and ethnic group....yet I doubt anyone would deny his whiteness.

Do you consider criollos white? Such as guillermo del Toro