Why do lower middle class whites vote Republican?

Somebody already asked me this so let me spin it- what do you believe the left does for a person like me who goes to work and makes just enough money to not qualify for any sort of welfare or social benefits?

For you, I’d say they want to fund your daughter’s free public education so that she is better prepared for her future, and invest in her College education so that she can be making a healthy salary in a competitive field at a younger age without both of you being financially crippled by the costs.
 
Not much, but they don't actively try to sabotage the economy to insure my dependence.

You don't think cutting taxes and racking up huge budget deficits, hallmarks of the last two Republican administrations, and the subsequent over-heating of the economy (acting to deepen the peaks and valleys of the business cycle) actively sabotages the economy?
 
You'd think their own economic interests would be top priority for a group like that. For this question let's forget Trump and focus just on Dem/Repub parties.

In a strong economy, I understand that conservatives place a high value on independence and freedom from onerous regulation. Their sense of self reliance and entrepreneurship would thrive in such an environment.

But the economy is actually getting worse over time. And it's turning into an economy for highly skilled workers (tech, engineering, finance) exclusively; low skill well paying jobs are gone. And you have monopolies pretty much running the show (Amazon for one). Its a tough climate for opening your own business and/or surviving by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Even hard work is rewarded far less than it used to be.

These lower middle class whites could GREATLY benefit from a jobs bill and MORE benefits (healthcare for one) and public goods and antitrust regulation.

The Republican party is pretty honest about trying to get rid of benefits for workers and protections for them, i.e. it's their platform to do the opposite of what is needed to uplift this demographic economically. And Republicans are not against globalism and trade bills - that's an exclusively Trump phenomenon (if he's serious about it, which with Trump is doubtful).

Democrats are pretty much on the same page but they have to pretend to be for workers, so they're a less bad choice, technically. At the very least, they'll strip worker benefits and protections more slowly, and they're more likely to pass a jobs bill.

So what say you ? Why vote Republican if you're a lower middle class white? What part of Republican economic policy appeals to you?

I am very sympathetic to the argument that they are both horrible parties that are terrible for this lower middle class white demographic. In that case, I'd still be curious why you think Republican is a marginally better choice.

If you're a rich asshole feel free to participate but remember : I'm interested in getting to know how the poor whites are thinking on this, I don't want your personal opinion.

Also, let's keep this about economics for the most part. We all know socially why they vote Republican.

UPDATE: / EDIT:

Here's what I've gleaned from the answers in tl:dr format:

Dems and Repubs in practice aren't that different in the economic dimension (both in practice have failed to deliver anything that increased the prosperity of the middle class) so lower middle class whites instead vote Republican on the basis of social issues.

Immigration may undercut LMC earnings.

Benefits passed by Democrats have gone historically to the poor while lower middle class whites don't see a dime of benefits and see their taxes go up.


Republicans are probably slightly better for small business owners on regulation. (Though both parties honestly couldn't give a damn if the small guys get crushed in favor of the big companies, in my view).

LMC whites have fallen for corporate talking points on self-reliance, individualism, and aversion to "handouts". This is obviously propaganda since rich people have no such aversion to handouts for themselves.

So, it's a mix of social issues, some valid economic concerns, some misguided beliefs conditioned by propaganda.
Lack of progressive economic policy and populist rhetoric from Democrats. Democrats became a pro-corporate party and stopped trying to represent labor. Their left-wing appeals largely consist of identity politics virtue signaling which alienates working-class whites and even most minorities find it to be pandering bullshit and are increasingly rejecting it.

 
You don't think cutting taxes and racking up huge budget deficits, hallmarks of the last two Republican administrations, and the subsequent over-heating of the economy (acting to deepen the peaks and valleys of the business cycle) actively sabotages the economy?
No, I'm focused more on the obsession of overtaxing the rich to destroy what little manufacturing clout we have left. And before you start, I'm not one who thinks the rich owe me something because they are rich, so lets not go back and forth on that one.
Trump has worked to bring jobs back, get us better trade deals, make the US a more hospitable place for business. Dem admins like to pack them up on ships and send them overseas.
As a middle class worker, I'm pretty OK with taxes being cut if its for me or the people who employ me.I mean, I'll ask again, why should someone like me vote for the left? Literally nothing they do benefits people like me.
I recall people laughing at middle class people over the tax breaks for saving a few dollars a paycheck. Do people not see how sad that is? How excited we are to finally have someone say, "we see you", no matter how small the gesture? Do you know how tiresome it gets going to work everyday to have the same shit the left gives people who do nothing?
What do I see when the left is in control? My health insurance turned to garbage and got more expensive. My taxes were higher. They actively try to shame people like me, every single day. Call me privileged because I get up and go to work. I mean really, fuck them. They are the enemy of the middle class. Literally everything they do is a slap in the face to people like me.Always have been, always will. If Biden wins in November, my taxes are going up. The economy is going to turn to shit and we're going to lose more jobs to overseas competition. Everyone keeps telling me how the right doesn't help me- maybe so- but they don't actively fuck me over every chance they get.
 
No, I'm focused more on the obsession of overtaxing the rich to destroy what little manufacturing clout we have left. And before you start, I'm not one who thinks the rich owe me something because they are rich, so lets not go back and forth on that one.
Trump has worked to bring jobs back, get us better trade deals, make the US a more hospitable place for business. Dem admins like to pack them up on ships and send them overseas.
As a middle class worker, I'm pretty OK with taxes being cut if its for me or the people who employ me.I mean, I'll ask again, why should someone like me vote for the left? Literally nothing they do benefits people like me.
I recall people laughing at middle class people over the tax breaks for saving a few dollars a paycheck. Do people not see how sad that is? How excited we are to finally have someone say, "we see you", no matter how small the gesture? Do you know how tiresome it gets going to work everyday to have the same shit the left gives people who do nothing?
What do I see when the left is in control? My health insurance turned to garbage and got more expensive. My taxes were higher. They actively try to shame people like me, every single day. Call me privileged because I get up and go to work. I mean really, fuck them. They are the enemy of the middle class. Literally everything they do is a slap in the face to people like me.Always have been, always will. If Biden wins in November, my taxes are going up. The economy is going to turn to shit and we're going to lose more jobs to overseas competition. Everyone keeps telling me how the right doesn't help me- maybe so- but they don't actively fuck me over every chance they get.
This coming from people who re elected GWB

fuck off
 
No, I'm focused more on the obsession of overtaxing the rich to destroy what little manufacturing clout we have left. And before you start, I'm not one who thinks the rich owe me something because they are rich, so lets not go back and forth on that one.
Those 2 things have nothing to do with each other. Taxing the rich isn't what hurts manufacturing. And not taxing the rich isn't going to have any impact on whether or not we retain manufacturing clout.

See, manufacturing takes place inside of a corporation - the revenue that it creates and is taxed is taxed at the corporate level. The "rich" are individuals. They are taxed at the individual tax levels. Raising or lowering the the taxes on one isn't gong to change the tax world for the other.

Here's something to help you think about this - manufacturing left the nation in droves in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Do you know who didn't leave the nation? The rich. See, smart rich people will move manufacturing to wherever the labor environment is most conducive. That has nothing to do with with their personal tax burdens. You could cut their personal taxes to 0 and they would still move their factories overseas because the margins on labor would still make it more attractive. You could cut corporate taxes to zero and they would still move the factories overseas because the margins on labor would still be more attractive.

You could raise their taxes to 80% and they would still move the factories. How you tax them individually has no bearing on where they set up manufacturing. The cost of labor does. And so long as the margin on labor is big enough to justify moving the factories, they will move them. Giving the rich tax breaks on the personal level is complete worthless if the goal is to entice them to set up labor heavy industries within the U.S.
 
Those 2 things have nothing to do with each other. Taxing the rich isn't what hurts manufacturing. And not taxing the rich isn't going to have any impact on whether or not we retain manufacturing clout.

See, manufacturing takes place inside of a corporation - the revenue that it creates and is taxed is taxed at the corporate level. The "rich" are individuals. They are taxed at the individual tax levels. Raising or lowering the the taxes on one isn't gong to change the tax world for the other.

Here's something to help you think about this - manufacturing left the nation in droves in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Do you know who didn't leave the nation? The rich. See, smart rich people will move manufacturing to wherever the labor environment is most conducive. That has nothing to do with with their personal tax burdens. You could cut their personal taxes to 0 and they would still move their factories overseas because the margins on labor would still make it more attractive. You could cut corporate taxes to zero and they would still move the factories overseas because the margins on labor would still be more attractive.

You could raise their taxes to 80% and they would still move the factories. How you tax them individually has no bearing on where they set up manufacturing. The cost of labor does. And so long as the margin on labor is big enough to justify moving the factories, they will move them. Giving the rich tax breaks on the personal level is complete worthless if the goal is to entice them to set up labor heavy industries within the U.S.
Plenty of rich took their interests overseas.
 
PEOPLE vote Republican because....

  • It's their only chance for somewhat of a reduced government impact on their lives
  • They like to keep more of the money they earned
  • They don't want their kids being brainwashed with Socialist bullshit
  • They want Small Businesses and the opportunity that comes with them
  • They are not down with international deals fucking over Americans
  • Jobs
  • Being told America sucks is not something they tolerate

There are many more reasons... but those are just a few.

The Republican Party absolutely sucks, but compared to the Democratic Party.... I'd vote Republican. (Note: I'm a registered Libertarian)
 
Plenty of rich took their interests overseas.
Yes but that's not why they moved their factories. Regardless of where they physically move to, the factory isn't following them.
 
You have to also look at the industries lower middle class republicans work in and whether or not they feel democrats are favorable towards them.
 
PEOPLE vote Republican because....

  • It's their only chance for somewhat of a reduced government impact on their lives
  • They like to keep more of the money they earned
  • They don't want their kids being brainwashed with Socialist bullshit
  • They want Small Businesses and the opportunity that comes with them
  • They are not down with international deals fucking over Americans
  • Jobs
  • Being told America sucks is not something they tolerate

There are many more reasons... but those are just a few.

The Republican Party absolutely sucks, but compared to the Democratic Party.... I'd vote Republican. (Note: I'm a registered Libertarian)
I'm registered republican so I can pick a primary's candidate, it's not an automatic free pass, fuck romney and mccain, proudly say they never had my vote.
 
You have to also look at the industries lower middle class republicans work in and whether or not they feel democrats are favorable towards them.
if you have kids, trump tax returns have been massively favorable, I cant imagine going back.
 
Yes but that's not why they moved their factories. Regardless of where they physically move to, the factory isn't following them.
So you're telling me the US hasn't lost manufacturing to overseas competition because they can maximize profit elsewhere?
 
if you have kids, trump tax returns have been massively favorable, I cant imagine going back.

which poor middle class people got smaller tax brackets? These people pay 0 in federal income tax outside of mcare and ss deductions
 
which poor middle class people got smaller tax brackets? These people pay 0 in federal income tax outside of mcare and ss deductions
how does that change getting more dollars for having kids? These are child credits
 
how does that change getting more dollars for having kids? These are child credits

How do you get more dollars from credits when you already pay zero. Can you link me the policy you are talking about? Are you saying you get a return higher than your tax contribution?
 
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