Why do boxers don't look as smooth in mma as they do in boxing?

[Lookyoung]

Here are some boxers that just don't look smooth in mma. As a matter of fact if you didn't know who these guys were people on the forum would say these guys couldn't win an amatuer fight yet here are 2former good boxers and a very good fighter also an olympic gold medalist and there hands look like crap in mma.


Is it the small gloves? They just look very sloppy. Were are all the angles? Were is the head movement?

Not what I would expect when a solid boxer steps in to the UFC cage.

YouTube - Steve Jennum vs Melton Bowen




YouTube - Jiu-Jitsu vs Boxing - UFC 1


YouTube - KIMBO VS RAY MERCER (FULL FIGHT


I would like to hear from all the boxing experts on this forum.

 

[Lazy Man]

Looked good to me.

What exactly are you referring to?

 

[Fisticuffa]

Who are these "solid" Boxers you speak of?

A solid Boxer is someone like Kermit Cintron not a near 50 Mercer in an exhibition match, funny how you left out when Mercer actually took part in a pro MMA fight and we all saw what happened.

You already posted this garbage so fuck off to the heavies and go watch your bum fights instead of making shit threads.

 

[Lookyoung]

Who are these "solid" Boxers you speak of?

A solid Boxer is someone like Kermit Cintron not a near 50 Mercer in an exhibition match, funny how you left out when Mercer actually took part in a pro MMA fight and we all saw what happened.

You already posted this garbage so fuck off to the heavies and go watch your bum fights instead of making shit threads.

What happen to bowen and jimmerson? I don't post in the heavies section. I find it funny when internet nerds like you talk tough online.

 

[TheRatman]

Noons isn't even a good boxer but has manged to win a belt in MMA and his boxing is ok. His counter and body shots are pretty smooth.

Nick Diaz is consider one of the top guys in MMa and has a 1-0 in boxing and still owns people in MMa with his weak boxing, but trains hard at it and very often.

what kind of answer are you looking for.

 

[MaiaBJJ]

Ignoring the TS's examples, there is a huge difference in the footwork, distancing and stance in MMA versus straight boxing. That is why a boxer should and generally will look different. I've trained in MMA, kickboxing and boxing so don't even bother arguing with me.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

We all know what you're doing, Lookyoung...
so don't try to act too stunned by the responses.

Funny you would take those two examples.
Shows if nothing else that you don't have a clue about the whole story with Jimmerson.
A guy who's been more than straightforward with his explanation.

And for Jennum.... if you actually bothered to watch the fight you'd notice that Bowen had Jennum out cold for a moment (while Jennum was in full mount).

But more funny that you're either ignorant to (or purposely ignoring) the fact that guys like Lavern Clark, Jeremy Williams and Butterbean (certainly not a who's who of boxers) have had quite their share of success in mma.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

What happen to bowen and jimmerson? I don't post in the heavies section. I find it funny when internet nerds like you talk tough online.

Don't blame fisticuffa for calling you like he sees it.
We all know what you're trying to do.

 

[Triangle Choke]

There havent been many good boxers who have decided to pursue MMA. Theyve either been mediocre boxers who've transitioned to MMA or guys who are over the hill and looking for a paycheck.

I mean, the wrestlers that enter MMA are Olympians and national collegiate champions. The BJJ fighters are champions in Brazil or Abu Dhabi. The best in boxing are champs years removed (Toney) or at best amateur champions/Golden Gloves champs (Bonnar) - essentially guys no where near the peak of the sport at the moment of their MMA debuts.

 

[Triangle Choke]

^^^

Cant edit, but I know that Bonnar wasnt a GG champ, just a competitor, but that was the only name that came off the top of my head who competed in the GG tourney and now fights MMA.

 

[Tony Manifold]

Who are these "solid" Boxers you speak of?

A solid Boxer is someone like Kermit Cintron not a near 50 Mercer in an exhibition match, funny how you left out when Mercer actually took part in a pro MMA fight and we all saw what happened.

You already posted this garbage so fuck off to the heavies and go watch your bum fights instead of making shit threads.

A one punch knockout doesn't "prove" anything. Randy Couture knocked Tim Sylvia down with one punch. Lots of guys have one punched people, it doesn't prove they are great boxers.

To use similar logic. Randy Couture, Fedor and Andre arlovski all knocked down Tim Sylvia with one punch so they are as good of boxers as Ray mercer. :icon_conf

To quote Bruce Dern from diggstown

You fellows better remember, this is a man...
who knocks people unconscious...
with a single blow.
I consider any such man extremely dangerous...
even at 48 years old.

 

[TheRainSong]

Kinda off-topic but somewhat still relevant but I love the whole "Pure Boxing will never work in MMA" argument from MMA fanboys. While it maybe true, you can essentially argue the same for for any style/background/base in MMA. Nowadays, no fighter can go into MMA as a pure boxer/kickboxer/MT Fighter/BJJ player/Wrestler/BJJ because each and every single style has it's limitations and as well as it's well-advantages and you have to cross-train to adapt.

To say that a boxer cannot train and adapt to MMA is as silly as telling an ADCC grappling champ that BJJ could never work because in a pure BJJ match, you wear Gi's and you're not allowed to strike. That right there eliminates all forms of gi chokes, spider-guard, x-guard, etc. Are you gonna tell Demian Maia or Roger Gracie that they wouldn't be able to adapt their BJJ to MMA?


If not then why would you think elite level boxers like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Klitschko, Povetkin, Adamek, Paul Williams, Andre Ward that they couldn't adapt their boxing to fit MMA? Are crisp solid technical punches somehow less effective than wild, loopy, chicken-winged, bar room brawling style punches that 90% of a MMA fighters use? What about the pisspoor near non-existent footwork and the complete lack of head movement? And please don't give me this crap about how kicks prevent that from happening. Go watch a K1 fight involving Aerts, LeBanner or Bonjasky and tell me they don't use footwork/head movement in their fights. Tell Anderson Silva that when he played the Matrix against Franklin and Forrest.


Of course pure boxing doesn't work in MMA, neither does pure BJJ, wrestling, Muay Thai, Judo or Karate but successful players of all those backgrounds have been able to adapt to the sport by taking the skills that are applicable and utilized them successfully, not sure why anyone would think a boxer couldn't do the same.

 

[MMAmouse]

Kinda off-topic but somewhat still relevant but I love the whole "Pure Boxing will never work in MMA" argument from MMA fanboys. While it maybe true, you can essentially argue the same for for any style/background/base in MMA. Nowadays, no fighter can go into MMA as a pure boxer/kickboxer/MT Fighter/BJJ player/Wrestler/BJJ because each and every single style has it's limitations and as well as it's well-advantages and you have to cross-train to adapt.

To say that a boxer cannot train and adapt to MMA is as silly as telling an ADCC grappling champ that BJJ could never work because in a pure BJJ match, you wear Gi's and you're not allowed to strike. That right there eliminates all forms of gi chokes, spider-guard, x-guard, etc. Are you gonna tell Demian Maia or Roger Gracie that they wouldn't be able to adapt their BJJ to MMA?


If not then why would you think elite level boxers like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Klitschko, Povetkin, Adamek, Paul Williams, Andre Ward that they couldn't adapt their boxing to fit MMA? Are crisp solid technical punches somehow less effective than wild, loopy, chicken-winged, bar room brawling style punches that 90% of a MMA fighters use? What about the pisspoor near non-existent footwork and the complete lack of head movement? And please don't give me this crap about how kicks prevent that from happening. Go watch a K1 fight involving Aerts, LeBanner or Bonjasky and tell me they don't use footwork/head movement in their fights. Tell Anderson Silva that when he played the Matrix against Franklin and Forrest.


Of course pure boxing doesn't work in MMA, neither does pure BJJ, wrestling, Muay Thai, Judo or Karate but successful players of all those backgrounds have been able to adapt to the sport by taking the skills that are applicable and utilized them successfully, not sure why anyone would think a boxer couldn't do the same.

Ding ding ding.

 

[TheRatman]

Kinda off-topic but somewhat still relevant but I love the whole "Pure Boxing will never work in MMA" argument from MMA fanboys. While it maybe true, you can essentially argue the same for for any style/background/base in MMA. Nowadays, no fighter can go into MMA as a pure boxer/kickboxer/MT Fighter/BJJ player/Wrestler/BJJ because each and every single style has it's limitations and as well as it's well-advantages and you have to cross-train to adapt.

To say that a boxer cannot train and adapt to MMA is as silly as telling an ADCC grappling champ that BJJ could never work because in a pure BJJ match, you wear Gi's and you're not allowed to strike. That right there eliminates all forms of gi chokes, spider-guard, x-guard, etc. Are you gonna tell Demian Maia or Roger Gracie that they wouldn't be able to adapt their BJJ to MMA?


If not then why would you think elite level boxers like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Klitschko, Povetkin, Adamek, Paul Williams, Andre Ward that they couldn't adapt their boxing to fit MMA? Are crisp solid technical punches somehow less effective than wild, loopy, chicken-winged, bar room brawling style punches that 90% of a MMA fighters use? What about the pisspoor near non-existent footwork and the complete lack of head movement? And please don't give me this crap about how kicks prevent that from happening. Go watch a K1 fight involving Aerts, LeBanner or Bonjasky and tell me they don't use footwork/head movement in their fights. Tell Anderson Silva that when he played the Matrix against Franklin and Forrest.


Of course pure boxing doesn't work in MMA, neither does pure BJJ, wrestling, Muay Thai, Judo or Karate but successful players of all those backgrounds have been able to adapt to the sport by taking the skills that are applicable and utilized them successfully, not sure why anyone would think a boxer couldn't do the same.

Good post and the truth.

 

[Code N]

Kinda off-topic but somewhat still relevant but I love the whole "Pure Boxing will never work in MMA" argument from MMA fanboys. While it maybe true, you can essentially argue the same for for any style/background/base in MMA. Nowadays, no fighter can go into MMA as a pure boxer/kickboxer/MT Fighter/BJJ player/Wrestler/BJJ because each and every single style has it's limitations and as well as it's well-advantages and you have to cross-train to adapt.

To say that a boxer cannot train and adapt to MMA is as silly as telling an ADCC grappling champ that BJJ could never work because in a pure BJJ match, you wear Gi's and you're not allowed to strike. That right there eliminates all forms of gi chokes, spider-guard, x-guard, etc. Are you gonna tell Demian Maia or Roger Gracie that they wouldn't be able to adapt their BJJ to MMA?


If not then why would you think elite level boxers like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Klitschko, Povetkin, Adamek, Paul Williams, Andre Ward that they couldn't adapt their boxing to fit MMA? Are crisp solid technical punches somehow less effective than wild, loopy, chicken-winged, bar room brawling style punches that 90% of a MMA fighters use? What about the pisspoor near non-existent footwork and the complete lack of head movement? And please don't give me this crap about how kicks prevent that from happening. Go watch a K1 fight involving Aerts, LeBanner or Bonjasky and tell me they don't use footwork/head movement in their fights. Tell Anderson Silva that when he played the Matrix against Franklin and Forrest.


Of course pure boxing doesn't work in MMA, neither does pure BJJ, wrestling, Muay Thai, Judo or Karate but successful players of all those backgrounds have been able to adapt to the sport by taking the skills that are applicable and utilized them successfully, not sure why anyone would think a boxer couldn't do the same.

Great post, but I doubt the OP has the attention span to read it.

EDIT: OP, in those fights you said they looked sloppy, but they didn't really fight standing up, so how can you judge their boxing abilities?

This is somewhat relevant Martial Art Vs Martial Art. Also foot work, head movement seem to work here.

 

[Tony Manifold]

Kinda off-topic but somewhat still relevant but I love the whole "Pure Boxing will never work in MMA" argument from MMA fanboys. While it maybe true, you can essentially argue the same for for any style/background/base in MMA. Nowadays, no fighter can go into MMA as a pure boxer/kickboxer/MT Fighter/BJJ player/Wrestler/BJJ because each and every single style has it's limitations and as well as it's well-advantages and you have to cross-train to adapt.

To say that a boxer cannot train and adapt to MMA is as silly as telling an ADCC grappling champ that BJJ could never work because in a pure BJJ match, you wear Gi's and you're not allowed to strike. That right there eliminates all forms of gi chokes, spider-guard, x-guard, etc. Are you gonna tell Demian Maia or Roger Gracie that they wouldn't be able to adapt their BJJ to MMA?


If not then why would you think elite level boxers like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Klitschko, Povetkin, Adamek, Paul Williams, Andre Ward that they couldn't adapt their boxing to fit MMA? Are crisp solid technical punches somehow less effective than wild, loopy, chicken-winged, bar room brawling style punches that 90% of a MMA fighters use? What about the pisspoor near non-existent footwork and the complete lack of head movement? And please don't give me this crap about how kicks prevent that from happening. Go watch a K1 fight involving Aerts, LeBanner or Bonjasky and tell me they don't use footwork/head movement in their fights. Tell Anderson Silva that when he played the Matrix against Franklin and Forrest.


Of course pure boxing doesn't work in MMA, neither does pure BJJ, wrestling, Muay Thai, Judo or Karate but successful players of all those backgrounds have been able to adapt to the sport by taking the skills that are applicable and utilized them successfully, not sure why anyone would think a boxer couldn't do the same.

Well said.

 

[Fisticuffa]

A one punch knockout doesn't "prove" anything. Randy Couture knocked Tim Sylvia down with one punch. Lots of guys have one punched people, it doesn't prove they are great boxers.

To use similar logic. Randy Couture, Fedor and Andre arlovski all knocked down Tim Sylvia with one punch so they are as good of boxers as Ray mercer. :icon_conf

To quote Bruce Dern from diggstown

Where did I claim that it "proved" anything?

I am only pointing out that the TS conveniently left out the only time Ray Mercer competed as a pro in MMA.

It does show that even a near 50 out of shape way past his prime Boxer still has a punchers chance in MMA against a top MMA HW.

 

[MMAmouse]

Where did I claim that it "proved" anything?

I am only pointing out that the TS conveniently left out the only time Ray Mercer competed as a pro in MMA.

It does show that even a near 50 out of shape way past his prime Boxer still has a punchers chance in MMA against a top MMA HW.

*Elite

 

[Trifick]

Noons isn't even a good boxer but has manged to win a belt in MMA and his boxing is ok. His counter and body shots are pretty smooth.

Nick Diaz is consider one of the top guys in MMa and has a 1-0 in boxing and still owns people in MMa with his weak boxing, but trains hard at it and very often.

what kind of answer are you looking for.

Let's not fall into the gutter with our arguments. I don't like this argument in the first place, but you should really do your homework before speaking.

Yes, Noons transitioned well, because he was also a kickboxer, as was his father. He had many amuature fights, and worked his way up. He didn't just jump into Strikeforce.

Diaz was a martial artist first who tried out boxing. Don't forget that. He started Ju jitsu in the 9th grade, and became a pro MMA fighter in 2001. He didn't start boxing untill 2005. Diaz is a SJJ blackbelt. He made the transition and won his first fight. So make sure you tell the whole story before you just start yappin out the gums.

 

[Fisticuffa]

What happen to bowen and jimmerson? I don't post in the heavies section. I find it funny when internet nerds like you talk tough online.

Well you should then as they will surely appreciate a fellow shertard joining them to discuss ultimate fightin'.