Why did the UFC try to kill soccerkick MMA??

[-guerilla-]

Because they not only look disgusting[especially to someone checking out the sport for the first time] they are disgusting. The type of thing you see in a pub carpark after the drinking is over and two guys are beating the crap out of one another.

Well that's disgusting technique is way more popular on Pay-per-view one can clearly see that Pride was outpacing UFC by Leaps and Bounds

Show any general audience soccer kick MMA and American safespace MMA and they're going to be way more impressed and in awe of soccer kick MMA

The problem is it puts American wrestlers at a big disadvantage as we learned from pride (coleman and randalman) and this is something American promoters wisely want to avoid

 

[chiefwiggum]

They wanted a more generic tame mma for the influx of generic tame fight fans.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Kicking a downed opponent is way to savage.

You can fight on the ground. You can run and knee a guy in the face.

It’s a nonsensical rule removing the flow of a fight in high level mma.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Well that's disgusting technique is way more popular on Pay-per-view one can clearly see that Pride was outpacing UFC by Leaps and Bounds

Show any general audience soccer kick MMA and American safespace MMA and they're going to be way more impressed and in awe of soccer kick MMA

The problem is it puts American wrestlers at a big disadvantage as we learned from pride (coleman and randalman) and this is something American promoters wisely want to avoid

You’re viewing it as a man though. Most people in here would see it from a fabulous man child perspective.

 

[-guerilla-]

Those of you that think wrestlers have a huge advantage in soccer kick MMA need to give us a list of wrestlers that dominated soccer kick MMA

to my knowledge Ben askren is the only one that had a good run and he ate it on a incoming knee

Mark Coleman Kevin Randleman and Dan Henderson were extremely good wrestlers that fought in soccer kick MMA and they didn't do that well however we can plainly see wrestlers dominating modern American MMA

I believe the main reason is because wrestling is the last publicly-funded combat sport in the United States

Do some research and you'll find that 99% of wrestling MMA Champions came from the public school system

It's dominating MMA because poor tough athletes have equal and fair access to it... (unlike martial arts)
Not because it's the best base for MMA

This Thread is trying to ask the question why the UFC wanted to kill soccer kick MMA

I think it's cuz they knew damn good and well that Americans couldn't hang

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Do any of you really believe that a head kick is more dangerous if your opponent is down?

It is certainly easier to land a kick to an opponent's head who is on all fours and probably dazed and confused. In most soccerkick videos I have seen, the victim is often already out of the fight and the soccer kick seems like unnecessary brutality.

 

[Fight Professor]

I will never forgive the pink goof for killing Pride. Ever. They could've kept it as a separate organization as they'd promised.

That would make no sense business wise. UFC is the only reason why MMA is where it is today.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

This Thread is trying to ask the question why the UFC wanted to kill soccer kick MMA

I think it's cuz they knew damn good and well that Americans couldn't hang

This is actually quite hilarious.

 

[-guerilla-]

That would make no sense business wise. UFC is the only reason why MMA is where it is today.

Do you really believe that the UFC people wanted Pride to continue on Pay-per-view

Who's going to PPV UFC when they could see badass soccer kick MMA

 

[-guerilla-]

Most of you super-mega Fanboys don't remember the days when the UFC was teetering on bankruptcy and the Mega Monster Pride was the big dog in town

Pride was poised to dominate the pay-per-view market and eat UFC's lunch

American promoters were painfully aware that they couldn't send Captain America over to Japan and take the title home

They had to manufacture their own tournament where Americans were advantaged and get rid of the competition where they weren't

The UFC wanted to kill Pride because they knew that Pride was a better more exciting product

The problem was everybody knew that South American and Asian athletes were going to soccer kick Americans into next week and they had to do something about it fast

 

[skylolow]

Because they were willing to do anything to be accepted by the commissions, states, and media in the US.

You know how easy it is to find footage of soccer kicks that would make any non MMA fan cringe and run the other way. Most are use to seeing someone get KO'd by hands or even standing kicks. But some of the gruesome soccer kicks, nope.

 

[eiyuu]

MMA was never going to get sanctioned in the US if it still had soccer kicks.

Hell, we still had knees to the head of a grounded opponent when NJ, one major Athletic Commissions in the country, started to sanction MMA. If it wasn't Gan McGee kneeing an overmatched Brad Gabriel's head into oblivion while he was on the ground at that IFC event in Atlantic City (that I attended by the way), we might still have knees on the ground in MMA in the US. NJSAC chairman Larry Hazzard took one look at that and said "NOPE" and drafted the Unified Rules of MMA (basis for all of MMA rules in the country even up to this day) which banned knees to the head of a downed opponent.

Now that's not to say some Athletic commission could draft their own rules and allow knees on the ground, or hell even soccer kicks to the head (wasn't there some promotion in Alaska that tried it?), but it's unlikely that if some promotion tried those rules that they would be allow to hold an event in one of the major commissions. Kind of a revenge thing for going against their rules so to speak.

Hell, when PRIDE held their events in Las Vegas, they had to alter their rules to disallow kicks and knees on the ground, even though that's not their rules.

As far as Zuffa's then plans for PRIDE when they bought them. According to Zuffa back then, they wanted to keep PRIDE running and still hold events in Japan. Even go so far as to keep PRIDE champs as is and defend titles, then at the end of each year have PRIDE champs battle UFC champs for a Superbowl of MMA of sorts.

There were a bunch of problems though. The one that Zuffa kept bringing up was the sad financial affairs of PRIDE that they inherited with the purchase that they eventually unable to untangle. Apparently their debts were too much to overcome. Then they couldn't get a TV deal in Japan. The dirt of the yakuza scandal apparently wouldn't wash off for any TV station to air PRIDE again.

Lastly for a more cultural angle, you don't get too far having foreign ownership of Japanese companies in Japan. It's matter of PRIDE to the Japanese people (pun intended.)

So Zuffa running PRIDE events in Japan was pretty much basically doomed from the start. Couple that with ALL combat sports losing interest from the Japanese public (with K-1 falling soon after, and DREAM and Sengoku not surviving after that), really no way for Zuffa-PRIDE to go anyway in the Land of the Rising Sun.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Most of you super-mega Fanboys don't remember the days when the UFC was teetering on bankruptcy and the Mega Monster Pride was the big dog in town

Pride was poised to dominate the pay-per-view market and eat UFC's lunch

American promoters were painfully aware that they couldn't send Captain America over to Japan and take the title home

They had to manufacture their own tournament where Americans were advantaged and get rid of the competition where they weren't

The UFC wanted to kill Pride because they knew that Pride was a better more exciting product

The problem was everybody knew that South American and Asian athletes were going to soccer kick Americans into next week and they had to do something about it fast

If trolling, kudos sir.

Here's what really happened. From 2000-2004 the UFC focused on a PPV business model, and Pride focused on TV deals. Huge TV deals.

UFC was consistently in the red, year after year, and the F brothers decided to do a reality show. Low and behold, it succeeded. Practically overnight they went from almost bankrupt to a household name.

A year or so later, it was reported that Pride was run with Yakuza money. Or Yakuza was seriously involved. Or something like that. Anyway, Pride's main revenue (practically sole revenue) was TV deals, and because of the Yakuza story, the TV deals went away. They went from huge to bankruptcy practically overnight.

Pride did try PPV in the States, and it bombed. Most people simply didn't want to watch on tape delay. Never broke 100k, if memory serves correctly.

If you had any reason to believe that UFC was involved in releasing the Yakuza story in order to kill Pride, it would actually make sense. I suggest you segue your conspiracy theory in that direction.

The rest of what you're saying is made up nonsense.

So again, if trolling, kudos sir. But if not, your brain and reasoning is working on a whole different level than it should be so by all means, enjoy your own personal Wonderland. It's gotta be groovy in there.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Me? I miss kicks. I miss one night tournaments even more. But I understand why they disappeared from the US. There are reasonable and logical reasons why they disappeared from the UFC, without needing to reach for conspiracy theories. You admitted awhile ago that you stopped paying attention to MMA for a few decades to disappear into the Florida swamp; maybe you should revisit the histories of those times you missed before making conclusions about how and why things went down the way they did in that era.

 

[-guerilla-]

This may be a radical newsflash to some of you but what people say in press releases on isn't always the truth

killing your competition is always an unpopular move so you have to find a way to spin it in a different direction

Pride was an enormously successful tournament that Drew far more people than the UFC could ever dream

why on Earth would they want to kill a profit machine like that?

they knew that it would take their pay-per-view audience away and once people realized how much more awesome soccer kick MMA was their product would look lame in comparison

a couple Rich jackasses bought the UFC and then bought and killed their wildly Superior competition

they knew their American fighters had no prayer in that type of format... you could literally see the wind go out of their sales when Chuck Liddell got smoked in Pride

They tried their best with their steroid monsters but they still couldn't succeed in soccer kick MMA

The fact was for an American champion to emerge they had to manipulate American MMA and get rid of the competition in the pay-per-view market and that's exactly what they did

 

[leto1776]

Do you really believe that the UFC people wanted Pride to continue on Pay-per-view

Who's going to PPV UFC when they could see badass soccer kick MMA

Not sure if slow, or living in a Sherdog bubble. I suspect both. Pride was never successful outside of Japan. Never. They never would have taken over the UFC, because the UFC was making a comeback as
Ride was imploding, relying solely on Japanese market tv deals to make money.

MMA was never going to get sanctioned in the US if it still had soccer kicks.

Hell, we still had knees to the head of a grounded opponent when NJ, one major Athletic Commissions in the country, started to sanction MMA. If it wasn't Gan McGee kneeing an overmatched Brad Gabriel's head into oblivion while he was on the ground at that IFC event in Atlantic City (that I attended by the way), we might still have knees on the ground in MMA in the US. NJSAC chairman Larry Hazzard took one look at that and said "NOPE" and drafted the Unified Rules of MMA (basis for all of MMA rules in the country even up to this day) which banned knees to the head of a downed opponent.

Now that's not to say some Athletic commission could draft their own rules and allow knees on the ground, or hell even soccer kicks to the head (wasn't there some promotion in Alaska that tried it?), but it's unlikely that if some promotion tried those rules that they would be allow to hold an event in one of the major commissions. Kind of a revenge thing for going against their rules so to speak.

Hell, when PRIDE held their events in Las Vegas, they had to alter their rules to disallow kicks and knees on the ground, even though that's not their rules.

As far as Zuffa's then plans for PRIDE when they bought them. According to Zuffa back then, they wanted to keep PRIDE running and still hold events in Japan. Even go so far as to keep PRIDE champs as is and defend titles, then at the end of each year have PRIDE champs battle UFC champs for a Superbowl of MMA of sorts.

There were a bunch of problems though. The one that Zuffa kept bringing up was the sad financial affairs of PRIDE that they inherited with the purchase that they eventually unable to untangle. Apparently their debts were too much to overcome. Then they couldn't get a TV deal in Japan. The dirt of the yakuza scandal apparently wouldn't wash off for any TV station to air PRIDE again.

Lastly for a more cultural angle, you don't get too far having foreign ownership of Japanese companies in Japan. It's matter of PRIDE to the Japanese people (pun intended.)

So Zuffa running PRIDE events in Japan was pretty much basically doomed from the start. Couple that with ALL combat sports losing interest from the Japanese public (with K-1 falling soon after, and DREAM and Sengoku not surviving after that), really no way for Zuffa-PRIDE to go anyway in the Land of the Rising Sun.

People like TS are too dense and living in their mma internet fan bubble to get such a logical post like this.

 

[Mike K.O]

ACs won't allow them
Nobody gives a fk in Japan, so they're legal in RIZIN

 

[eiyuu]

People like TS are too dense and living in their mma internet fan bubble to get such a logical post like this.

Probably, but if others can see my post past TS's ramblings, then my job is done!

 

[lsa]

Not sure if slow, or living in a Sherdog bubble. I suspect both. Pride was never successful outside of Japan. Never. They never would have taken over the UFC, because the UFC was making a comeback as
Ride was imploding, relying solely on Japanese market tv deals to make money.



People like TS are too dense and living in their mma internet fan bubble to get such a logical post like this.

You should check TS other threads...
He is one of gods special children..

 

[LeVagabond]

It was anti-Brasil move. We all know soccerkicks of brasilian fighters are on another level.

imagine ronaldo soccer kicking someone ...