Why Can't UFC Book the Flyweight Division?

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The UFC cannot book a flyweight division... at all. They are hopeless at it. Now before people immediately 'weird nerd' this, let's look at the facts.

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They had one of the best fighters in the world in Demetrious Johnson. He starts complaining about the way the UFC want to put the belt on TJ Dillashaw, who basically can’t make that weight, but Dana ignores that obvious fact anyway because “punching” and “just make weight” and “I prefer TJ”.

Then DJ actually loses to Henry Cejudo (not a fantasy loss to TJ), who is a freaking GOLD MEDAL WINNING OLYMPIAN. The talent at the top is insanely high level, it will not be matched again for generations, and we’ve got a trilogy fight on our hands: GOAT vs Olympic Gold Medalist, the world's easiest sell.

But nah.

The UFC let DJ go to ONE. Then the UFC cut prospects. Jose Torres for example, not in any way a boring fighter, who goes away and beats Amir Albazi in Brave.

BUT THEN

Figgy vs Moreno happens and becomes a lower level trilogy than what the UFC already had with Demetrious vs Cejudo, and suddenly Dana feels okay about it because he likes it more.

Fast forward a few years, though, and we’re back to square one. A champion the UFC clearly don’t like or respect or trust in Alexandre Pantoja, a bunch of contenders with many, many defeats on their records (Royval, Moreno, KKF, Perez) and a bunch of guys who are nearly ready but are being rushed in utter desperation and confusion (Taira, Albazi, Erceg) – plus there are some boring dudes like Nicolau, Kape, and Ulanbekov who nobody likes or cares about.

Kai Asakura comes in from a regional promotion and instantly gets a title shot because “something” and “can’t be bothered” and “who cares”. So the fight is in Tokyo, right?

Nah, Vegas. As a co-main nobody will ever remember outside of Rizin nerds (there aren’t many of them). Meanwhile, Taira and Albazi, the closest thing to fresh contenders, get booked to lose, and the UFC instantly start looking at any old Central Asian guy to fight a top 5 opponent because “WHATEVER” (yes Asu Almabayev is actually fighting Matheus Nicolau next).

TLDR:

Why can’t the UFC just book this division properly, and if they suck at it that much, maybe Sherdog should do it for them. Call us, Dana, we're far better than you at this.
 
If the UFC couldn't get fans interested in DJ, it's not going to happen with any of those other guys. Figgy moved to BW, KKF has like 11 or 12 losses, Moreno is on a losing streak, and Pantoja is kind of boring.
 
If the UFC couldn't get fans interested in DJ, it's not going to happen with any of those other guys. Figgy moved to BW, KKF has like 11 or 12 losses, Moreno is on a losing streak, and Pantoja is kind of boring.

If the UFC can't get people interested in a guy pulling off flying armbar suplexes, why even bother?

Why are we still here talking about their total incompetence at booking a division that has had some of the highest level athletes of all time?
 
We need The Gooch to save us from this god awful matchmaking.

Gooch vs winner of Pantoja Asakura 2025. Book it goof.
 
Need new divisions

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If the UFC can't get people interested in a guy pulling off flying armbar suplexes, why even bother?

Why are we still here talking about their total incompetence at booking a division that has had some of the highest level athletes of all time?

I don't know, but I have to add that I think Horiguchi is boring too, so I'm glad he's gone. I also think that a lot of people including myself think that adult men who are like 5"9" (or even taller) cutting down to 125 is absurd. If you forced all those guys up to 135 and just left the legit midgets there would be hardly anyone left in the flyweight division. Kape can't hardly ever make weight, so get him out of there. Royval and Ecreg both look like 145ers. Moreno, Perez, Durden all look like they cut 35 lbs to make 125, it's fucking silly.
 
Unhappy subject:

The UFC cannot book a flyweight division... at all. They are hopeless at it. Now before people immediately 'weird nerd' this, let's look at the facts.

RDYjl9K.png


They had one of the best fighters in the world in Demetrious Johnson. He starts complaining about the way the UFC want to put the belt on TJ Dillashaw, who basically can’t make that weight, but Dana ignores that obvious fact anyway because “punching” and “just make weight” and “I prefer TJ”.

Then DJ actually loses to Henry Cejudo (not a fantasy loss to TJ), who is a freaking GOLD MEDAL WINNING OLYMPIAN. The talent at the top is insanely high level, it will not be matched again for generations, and we’ve got a trilogy fight on our hands: GOAT vs Olympic Gold Medalist, the world's easiest sell.

But nah.

The UFC let DJ go to ONE. Then the UFC cut prospects. Jose Torres for example, not in any way a boring fighter, who goes away and beats Amir Albazi in Brave.

BUT THEN

Figgy vs Moreno happens and becomes a lower level trilogy than what the UFC already had with Demetrious vs Cejudo, and suddenly Dana feels okay about it because he likes it more.

Fast forward a few years, though, and we’re back to square one. A champion the UFC clearly don’t like or respect or trust in Alexandre Pantoja, a bunch of contenders with many, many defeats on their records (Royval, Moreno, KKF, Perez) and a bunch of guys who are nearly ready but are being rushed in utter desperation and confusion (Taira, Albazi, Erceg) – plus there are some boring dudes like Nicolau, Kape, and Ulanbekov who nobody likes or cares about.

Kai Asakura comes in from a regional promotion and instantly gets a title shot because “something” and “can’t be bothered” and “who cares”. So the fight is in Tokyo, right?

Nah, Vegas. As a co-main nobody will ever remember outside of Rizin nerds (there aren’t many of them). Meanwhile, Taira and Albazi, the closest thing to fresh contenders, get booked to lose, and the UFC instantly start looking at any old Central Asian guy to fight a top 5 opponent because “WHATEVER” (yes Asu Almabayev is actually fighting Matheus Nicolau next).

TLDR:

Why can’t the UFC just book this division properly, and if they suck at it that much, maybe Sherdog should do it for them. Call us, Dana, we're far better than you at this.
The issue is Pantoja has beaten nearly everyone else on his way to the belt.

He holds wins over most of his top 10 with an argument for a shot.

Kai Kara France was probably the next guy to get one, but instead they have gone with Asakura and will save Kai for the next shot (hopefully).
If Figgy came back he would get an immediate shot also.
 
The issue is Pantoja has beaten nearly everyone else on his way to the belt.

He holds wins over most of his top 10 with an argument for a shot.

Kai Kara France was probably the next guy to get one, but instead they have gone with Asakura and will save Kai for the next shot (hopefully).
If Figgy came back he would get an immediate shot also.

Why not Albazi who is #3, 17-1, holds a win over KKF, and is literally booked to fight weeks before Pantoja?
 
Why not Albazi who is #3, 17-1, holds a win over KKF, and is literally booked to fight weeks before Pantoja?
He arguably lost to Kai who is seen as more exciting and hasn't fought since June 2023.
He pulled out of the Moreno fight at the start of 2024 with a neck injury and has had two surgeries since.

My guess is it's more of a timing thing and Pantoja wanting to get another fight in after initially saying he wanted to rest.
Moreno and Albazi have both been sidelined all year to book a number 1 contender fight.

He is probably ahead of Kai and I did forget about him though. With a win over Moreno, he is undeniable.
 
He arguably lost to Kai who is seen as more exciting and hasn't fought since June 2023.
He pulled out of the Moreno fight at the start of 2024 with a neck injury and has had two surgeries since.

My guess is it's more of a timing thing and Pantoja wanting to get another fight in after initially saying he wanted to rest.
Moreno and Albazi have both been sidelined all year to book a number 1 contender fight.

He is probably ahead of Kai and I did forget about him though. With a win over Moreno, he is undeniable.
But it can’t be a timing thing if he is fighting 3 weeks earlier right?

Like I realize you’re not Dana/Mick so not trying to corner you into defending the booking lol, but it just makes no sense imo, unless we get to “he doesn’t sell as well” which everyone knows is the reason, but can’t say out loud.
 
and a bunch of guys who are nearly ready but are being rushed in utter desperation and confusion (Taira, Albazi, Erceg) –
Erceg absolutely got rushed to a title shot.

But Taira? Taira went 5-0 and then got booked in a main event against Perez, which he won. That appropriately earned him a #1 contender fight with Royval. That's not being "rushed". He got booked completely appropriately.

Albazi has similarly been booked appropriately. Went 4-0 and got booked in a main event against Kai, which he won. That appropriately has earned him a top contender fight against Moreno.

How many fights do you say an undefeated fighter should have to win in a row before they get a #1 contender fight?
 
Unhappy subject:

The UFC cannot book a flyweight division... at all. They are hopeless at it. Now before people immediately 'weird nerd' this, let's look at the facts.

RDYjl9K.png


They had one of the best fighters in the world in Demetrious Johnson. He starts complaining about the way the UFC want to put the belt on TJ Dillashaw, who basically can’t make that weight, but Dana ignores that obvious fact anyway because “punching” and “just make weight” and “I prefer TJ”.

Then DJ actually loses to Henry Cejudo (not a fantasy loss to TJ), who is a freaking GOLD MEDAL WINNING OLYMPIAN. The talent at the top is insanely high level, it will not be matched again for generations, and we’ve got a trilogy fight on our hands: GOAT vs Olympic Gold Medalist, the world's easiest sell.

But nah.

The UFC let DJ go to ONE. Then the UFC cut prospects. Jose Torres for example, not in any way a boring fighter, who goes away and beats Amir Albazi in Brave.

BUT THEN

Figgy vs Moreno happens and becomes a lower level trilogy than what the UFC already had with Demetrious vs Cejudo, and suddenly Dana feels okay about it because he likes it more.

Let me stop you right there. Moreno was one of the flyweights who got cut when Dana abolished the 125 division briefly and fought and worked his way back to UFC and became champ. Now he's just a scrub Dana likes? Fuck off! Also Rizin isn't regional they've actually done shows in Azerbaijan. Floyd and Pacquiao have fought there. So wrong again. Kai is world class and has beaten UFC fighters and bellator ex champs like Manel Jape and Juan Archuleta. You must only watch UFC
 
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Also Rizin isn't regional they've actually done shows in Azerbaijan. So wrong again.

LFA have done shows in Brazil, does that mean they're not regional?

Come on, man.

This is pure silliness.

We're talking about how UFC treats Rizin. To give a dude from there an instant title shot is bizarre. They just signed RDR from ONE and he's getting unranked GM3 in his debut... the UFC signs guys from PFL and Bellator and doesn't give them instant title shots.

I love the discussion and people giving push back, but this is a silly, silly point to bring up lol
 
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