Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Jiu Jitsu**, Aug 12, 2010.
and calf slicers utilized in MMA? I have yet to see a succesful Slicer in any fight.
I've seen George Sortiropouluolpiolsous use a bicep slicer to break the grip on an armbar. But he finished with the armbar.
Joe Lauzon lost to Ivan Menjivar by Submission (Calf Slicer) at APEX – Undisputed 2005-09-03 0:54 of Round 1 according to Wikipedia.
They are rare, though. I think it's because they're more complicated to set up compared to ankle locks, knee bars, and heel hooks. It's just not really a go-to submission, it's more common as a counter to an ankle lock for example.
Lack of practice and hard to catch when you are get hit in the face.
How is someone hitting you in the face when you're applying a calf slicer?
from half guard it could be risky
If I remember correctly Rafael Dos Anjos had a nasty looking calf slicer locked on Tyson Griffin in their fight, obviously he didn't finish him with it...
It wasn't fully on. I remember commenting on it at the time, he didn't have Tyson's leg tucked in front of his body.
There are a a few matches they have been used to finish, but I think a lot of people don't know how to apply them properly, and also a lot of people wrongly dismiss the moves as just 'pain' moves.
until someone gets an arm broke.
The only two I can really think of outside of those mentioned :
Hideo Tokoro vs Daisuke Nakamura
Tokoro goes for a rolling calf slicer right before the finishing sub.
YouTube - Hideo Tokoro vs Daisuke Nakamura, NYE 2008
Genki Sudo vs Ole Laursen
Watch at :30. Probably the coolest entry for a calf slicer I've ever seen.
YouTube - Genki Sudo vs. Ole Laursen - Part 2
i love genki sudo, one of the most exciting mma fighters from back then or maybe of all time. but that fight is a good example of why they don't work the other submissions from those positions have a higher success rate
Just because something isn't "high percentage" doesn't mean it doesn't work. Just because he didn't land the sub it doesn't mean that it doesn't have the potential to work.
People limit themselves too much with this thinking.
i don't disagree with that. the man asked why we dont see these submissions as much in mma
Ah. We don't see a lot of submissions in MMA.
Drew Foster just made a thread about how we never see Darce chokes in MMA.
He made a cardinal mistake in finishing the calf slicer though. Never put one hand on each side of the leg. Both hands on one side or you're getting armbarred. First thing I learned when I learned the calf slicer.
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