Why are some people saying wrestling and BJJ can't be effective in a street fight ?

[Tabarnakos]

OK now of course not everyone thinks that but i have seen quite a few replies and posts on this forum (not just grappling section but Sherdog in general) questionning the effectiveness of wrestling and BJJ in a street fight situation. Replies like "Let's see how you BJJ/wrestling does in a real life street fight" or in that genre implying that grappling is not that effective in such a situation.

Assuming no weapon is involved and it's not 17 vs 1 , why wouldn't grappling be effective to dispatch an opponent ? I know a lot of street fights are all about head hunting and throwing wild hooks and haymakers to do the most possible damage the other guy , but most people are capable of throwing a punch unless they are handicapped , too old or whatever. However not everyone is trained in a grappling discipline like wrestling and BJJ. I mean wouldn't it be easy for a wrestler/BJJ guy to wait for a street brawler to rush him , then easily clinch/trip/take him down and then absolutely work him on the ground ? As i said i know the popular image of a street fight is two guys going at it on the feet but why are some people think it's unrealistic for a scenario like the one i described above to occur ?

For the record i don't grapple myself but i'm just intrigued by how an accomplished grappler would really perform in a street fight.

Discuss

 

[PolishHeadlock]

There ain't be no rulz in da streetz

 

[flyingnecklock]

Honestly I would probaly hurt my hands more than anything if I tried to box someone in a street fight.If im just looking for the easiest, safest exit strategy from a confrontation,if its 1 on 1, grappling, all day, every day.Maybe a 1,2 punch just to close distance,then clinch...Most streetfights end up being real bad wrestling matches anyways.

Maybe some JBJ hellbows from mount if the guy was a real dickwad though...

 

[flyingnecklock]

The real trouble with streetfighting these days are all these TMA Seagal fanatics.They will maime you permanetly if you cross bad looks with them.TMA>MMA in a streetfight..or so I've heard.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

OK now of course not everyone thinks that but i have seen quite a few replies and posts on this forum (not just grappling section but Sherdog in general) questionning the effectiveness of wrestling and BJJ in a street fight situation. Replies like "Let's see how you BJJ/wrestling does in a real life street fight" or in that genre implying that grappling is not that effective in such a situation.

Assuming no weapon is involved and it's not 17 vs 1 , why wouldn't grappling be effective to dispatch an opponent ? I know a lot of street fights are all about head hunting and throwing wild hooks and haymakers to do the most possible damage the other guy , but most people are capable of throwing a punch unless they are handicapped , too old or whatever. However not everyone is trained in a grappling discipline like wrestling and BJJ. I mean wouldn't it be easy for a wrestler/BJJ guy to wait for a street brawler to rush him , then easily clinch/trip/take him down and then absolutely work him on the ground ? As i said i know the popular image of a street fight is two guys going at it on the feet but why are some people think it's unrealistic for a scenario like the one i described above to occur ?

For the record i don't grapple myself but i'm just intrigued by how an acceyomplished grappler would really perform in a street fight.

Discuss

well, im pretty sure all the fighting experience all those guys claiming bullshit like that against a grappler is on their PS3... or as a matter of fact, fighting at all...

there is a chance they are practitioners of some "deadly" TMA, they loove to delude themselves.

 

[Kozbot]

just beat the shit out of people!! its not fucking rocket science!

 

[tdluxon]

It's not useless, it just isn't as useful as in MMA because of a variety of factors... The first is the fact that you'll be rolling around on cement/pavement. Once I got in a fight at a party and it ended up on the ground with me in the mount punching the dude in the face but I was wearing shorts and while he was struggling around under me my knees got absolutely shredded on the pavement... I won the fight but my knees were totally scabbed and fucked up for like 2 weeks. Also there can be broken glass, etc.

Another issue is biting... Say you try to put an armbar on a guy. Once your leg goes over his face he's gonna bite the shit out of your leg.

Also, most street fights last a matter of seconds before they get broken up, which gives you time to land a haymaker or two, but not really time to take a guy down and ground and pound them or put on a submission. Also, if you break a guys arm in a street fight you'd could easily get in quite a bit of trouble, whereas a few punches might get overlooked by police.

Finally, if you take a guy down and one of his buddies is around and decides to jump in you could easily catch a Wand style soccer kick or something similar.

 

[Zankou]

This thread doesn't have anything different than its 1000000 previous incarnations, so shutting it down.