Why are some people saying wrestling and BJJ can't be effective in a street fight ?

OK now of course not everyone thinks that but i have seen quite a few replies and posts on this forum (not just grappling section but Sherdog in general) questionning the effectiveness of wrestling and BJJ in a street fight situation. Replies like "Let's see how you BJJ/wrestling does in a real life street fight" or in that genre implying that grappling is not that effective in such a situation.

Assuming no weapon is involved and it's not 17 vs 1 , why wouldn't grappling be effective to dispatch an opponent ? I know a lot of street fights are all about head hunting and throwing wild hooks and haymakers to do the most possible damage the other guy , but most people are capable of throwing a punch unless they are handicapped , too old or whatever. However not everyone is trained in a grappling discipline like wrestling and BJJ. I mean wouldn't it be easy for a wrestler/BJJ guy to wait for a street brawler to rush him , then easily clinch/trip/take him down and then absolutely work him on the ground ? As i said i know the popular image of a street fight is two guys going at it on the feet but why are some people think it's unrealistic for a scenario like the one i described above to occur ?

For the record i don't grapple myself but i'm just intrigued by how an accomplished grappler would really perform in a street fight.

Discuss

 

There ain't be no rulz in da streetz

 

Honestly I would probaly hurt my hands more than anything if I tried to box someone in a street fight.If im just looking for the easiest, safest exit strategy from a confrontation,if its 1 on 1, grappling, all day, every day.Maybe a 1,2 punch just to close distance,then clinch...Most streetfights end up being real bad wrestling matches anyways.

Maybe some JBJ hellbows from mount if the guy was a real dickwad though...

 

The real trouble with streetfighting these days are all these TMA Seagal fanatics.They will maime you permanetly if you cross bad looks with them.TMA>MMA in a streetfight..or so I've heard.

 

well, im pretty sure all the fighting experience all those guys claiming bullshit like that against a grappler is on their PS3... or as a matter of fact, fighting at all...

there is a chance they are practitioners of some "deadly" TMA, they loove to delude themselves.

 

just beat the shit out of people!! its not fucking rocket science!

 

It's not useless, it just isn't as useful as in MMA because of a variety of factors... The first is the fact that you'll be rolling around on cement/pavement. Once I got in a fight at a party and it ended up on the ground with me in the mount punching the dude in the face but I was wearing shorts and while he was struggling around under me my knees got absolutely shredded on the pavement... I won the fight but my knees were totally scabbed and fucked up for like 2 weeks. Also there can be broken glass, etc.

Another issue is biting... Say you try to put an armbar on a guy. Once your leg goes over his face he's gonna bite the shit out of your leg.

Also, most street fights last a matter of seconds before they get broken up, which gives you time to land a haymaker or two, but not really time to take a guy down and ground and pound them or put on a submission. Also, if you break a guys arm in a street fight you'd could easily get in quite a bit of trouble, whereas a few punches might get overlooked by police.

Finally, if you take a guy down and one of his buddies is around and decides to jump in you could easily catch a Wand style soccer kick or something similar.