Why are people mad at Miles Jury, but Machida gets a pass when he does it?

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  1. Reddd

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    Is it because he gets great KO's in other fights?

    Jury blasted Gomi in his last fight too. Jury was undefeated until this bad performance. If he comes back with a KO in his next fight, do people erase this fight from their memory?

    Machida has done these things in the past, but people seem to over look it.
     
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    He doesn't get a pass for it, neither does Condit, Anderson or others. When fighters display a boring performance, they get called out on it plenty around here.
     
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    Machida never just ran without intention of trying finishing moves here and there. Jury had no intention of trying to end the fight.
     
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    Your last troll thread die out or something? can't just post this there?
     
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    What? People bitch about Machida incessantly.
     
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    This was his big step up and he ran away. Machida's big step up was Thiago Silva and he delivered.
     
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    Machida never did anything like jury
     
  9. Non

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    Well firstly Machida was blasted for his "boring" performances when they happened too. Just because he's not getting shit on now doesn't mean it never happened.

    Secondly there's a difference between using footwork to bait your opponent into making a mistake and simply resigning yourself from a fight because you're outclassed.

    I don't have anything against Jury for what he did but you clearly don't know what you're watching if you think his performance was comparable to Machida's.
     
  10. delbosque

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    Machida always commits at some point. And when he knows he's down on the scorecards, he goes for the finish. Jury didn't do that. Plus, Machida's shown the ability to end a fight with one strike, typically making his fights suspenseful.
     
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    I thought I told you to shut the fuck up. lol
     
  12. Reddd

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    Yes, but it seems like people completely dismiss it when Machida's old performances are brought up and act like he would never do something like that.

    People mention Anderson in this thread. Anderson is another guy who people tend to forget pulled a lot of crap when he was a belt holder. He purposely ruined main cards. He didn't run from his opponent, but he refused to try and fight certain guys just to tick the fans off and to make his opponent feel inferior.

    My question to you then, will Miles Jury have the ability to erase this from people's minds like Machida has?
     
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    Machida has rocked every single one of his opponents with a hard counter/flurry.
     
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    Boy, you are making yourself look stupid with these Machida threads...

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  15. Non

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    Of course Jury can. Let him string a couple of good wins together, show some improvement, and people will forget about his survival mode against Cerrone.

    Don't worry Myles, this is only temporary. You'll have some fans again eventually.
     
  16. Reddd

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    When did he rock Davis? Hendo? They were perfectly fine after that fight.


    Granted, Rampage admitted that he got his ass kicked when the fight was first over, but the next day he acted like Machida did nothing. That is what Page said any way.
     
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    Yes. If miles jury delivers an exciting next fight, people will quickly start to forget the cerrone fight.
     
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    Jury talked a lot of shit after the Sanchez fight and was expected (by most) to bring it to Cowboy. When he didnt, and instead went into a defensive shell it gave all the people he'd pissed off ammo while also disappointing most of the those who'd put stock into the kid.
     
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    Okay, that is what I was wanting to hear from some people. It seems like people completely dismiss that Machida has ever disengaged at all though.

    Do you guys remember when Tito Ortiz of all people stood in the middle of the ring and screamed and yelled at Machida begging him to stop running from him and fight?


    how many wins does Jury have to get for people to dismiss this performance as if it never happened? Does he have to have several KO's?
     
  20. ufcfan4

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    Machida never mentally checked out of a fight. Even in his close splits, he was always looking for his spots and looking to make something happen. Even in his emphatic losses to Jones and Shogun he was going for it and was game as hell.

    Jury checked out of the fight- in my opinion- as soon as Cowboy swept him and nearly choked him out. I feel like Jury was rendered tentative by that. No shame in it. Sometimes it happens. Jury has long been a smart, technically sound fighter but I think he had a bit of a deer in the headlights effect happen to him when Cerrone put him in a bad spot.

    Jury isn't getting flack for being a boring fighter by nature in my opinion (well some people are saying such but I think they are definitely off base). He's getting flack because he, as others above said, sort of resigned himself to losing. He wasn't going for it. He knew he had to make something happen but didn't seem willing or able to pull the trigger. It is what it is. He's young and an awesome fighter. Learning experience.

    Comparison to Machida is faulty because, once again, Machida's performances haven't been comparable. There have been fights where Lyoto wasn't as readily able to find openings and was therefore more tentative and less active but he was always landing shots and looking for his edge to win the fight.
     

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