Why are people acting like the first fight doesn't matter?

JDS won the first fight fair and square.
Cain won the second fight fair and square.

In hindsight, Cain's victory seems more impressive. But take nothing away from either fighter. If given the opportunity, JDS can land another power shot on Cain. Also I'm impressed by JDS's heart, chin and his takedown defence. When he was fresh, he was stuffing them with ease and even got a sweep. Even stuffed some in the later rounds, but both men were exhausted.

Props to both men, the only person who ruined the fight slightly was the bias marketing Joe Rogan was setting up through his brain-washing of a commentary performance.
 
Wayne Brady said:
Apparently knocking someone out and leaving them lifeless isn't a real victory.
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It was a bit of a fluke punch though, he basically hit Cain with his palm in the ear. Sure it counts as a win and JDS would always have that chance to knock him out especially early, but the first fight did not prove anything to me other than JDS can beat Cain on a given day, not that he is a totally superior fighter than him. Oh and he didn't knock him out and leave him unconscious...
 
Claude said:
No, he wasn't in zombie mode, he was just outstruck.
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I guess that we watched a different fight.

I don't deny that he was outstruck. What I am saying is that that massive overhand on the 1st round pretty much sealed the deal. JDS was pretty much a zombie after that. Are you going to deny that?
 
Michael13 said:
Because it was a 64 second punch to the temple of an injured and out of shape Cain (I know JDS was injured too)

This time they were both 100% and in shape......and it went 25 minutes.....JDS couldn't even hurt him this time.......in 25 whole minutes.

Cain beat JDS in every aspect of the fight, standup, wrestling etc.
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The overhand went behind Cain's ear. It was a first round KO. If we're going to say now that a first round knockout isn't a legitimate win, then Sherdog has quite a few professional records to modify.
 
Michael13 said:
Because it was a 64 second punch to the temple of an injured and out of shape Cain (I know JDS was injured too)

This time they were both 100% and in shape......and it went 25 minutes.....JDS couldn't even hurt him this time.......in 25 whole minutes.

Cain beat JDS in every aspect of the fight, standup, wrestling etc.
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The only difference between now and then is JDS doesn't make excuses.

He said Cain was the better fighter.

Cain says he wasn't 100%.

How about a hand for the guy with class?
 
RazorReda said:
It was a bit of a fluke punch though, he basically hit Cain with his palm in the ear. Sure it counts as a win and JDS would always have that chance to knock him out especially early, but the first fight did not prove anything to me other than JDS can beat Cain on a given day, not that he is a totally superior fighter than him.
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If you go back and watch the fight you will see that JDS landed that overhand flush because he set it up with multiple body shots prior to that, which lowered Cain's guard. That is standard boxing technique an no fluke.
 
rlm81 said:
lol!

JDS is very dumb, he should have fallen and gotten KO'ed after that massive overhand instead of fighting till the very end. People would call the fight a fluke and he would look much better
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I know right? Horrible game planning by JDS and what a shitty corner. Once they saw he was going to keep on fighting they should have thrown in the towel and saved him from humiliation. Can you imagine if he accidentally knocked out Cain in the second? He would be the laughing stock of MMA.
 
Hoping they both come in 100% we will see. Who knows. JDS can still KO him and Cain can still dominate him. We don't know.

I think JDS' fear of the takedown may cause him to be hit in his next fight, if they ever do fight each other again.
 
Wayne Brady said:
I know right? Horrible game planning by JDS and what a shitty corner. Once they saw he was going to keep on fighting they should have thrown in the towel and saved him from humiliation. Can you imagine if he accidentally knocked out Cain in the second? He would be the laughing stock of MMA.
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lol
 
To quickly answer the question the answer is they are biased, caught up in the moment and not thinking critically, or stupid. Or any combination if the three.
 
I see them as 1-1. The first round between these two can always go either way: Cain pressuring and breaking JDS or JDS catching Cain and ko'ing him.

This is a rubber match fight if there ever was one.
 
rlm81 said:
If you go back and watch the fight you will see that JDS landed that overhand flush because he set it up with multiple body shots prior to that, which lowered Cain's guard. That is standard boxing technique an no fluke.
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His knuckles never came close to his head on that punch, I watched it today in slow mo and he caught him with the palm of the thumb. With boxing gloves that shot would have done nothing at all.
 
RazorReda said:
His knuckles never came close to his head on that punch, I watched it today in slow mo and he caught him with the palm of the thumb. With boxing gloves that shot would have done nothing at all.
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It was obviously enough to knock Cain to his knees. Junior finished him with GnP. Cain had his chance to recover and improve position but it was Junior's night.
 
rlm81 said:
I guess that we watched a different fight.

I don't deny that he was outstruck. What I am saying is that that massive overhand on the 1st round pretty much sealed the deal. JDS was pretty much a zombie after that. Are you going to deny that?
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No, fighters can recover after big punches, and JDS certainly did. Cain just outclassed him.
 
they need a rubber match I agree on that....

BUT

5 rd utter domination > 45 seconds 1 big punch
 
RazorReda said:
His knuckles never came close to his head on that punch, I watched it today in slow mo and he caught him with the palm of the thumb. With boxing gloves that shot would have done nothing at all.
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Let me quote a striking specialist:

Jack Slack said:
Of the 7 significant strikes that Dos Santos scored in his fight with Cain Velasquez, two were powerful right straights to the body, and one was a probing jab to the solar plexus and one was a front kick to the midsection. This simple attacking of Velasquez's left floating rib with Dos Santos' right straight was enough to draw the inexperienced Velasquez's hand out of position. Having crouched and ducked his head twice for a right straight to the body, the third time Dos Santos dropped his weight, he was able to connect a swinging right over the top of Velasquez's lowered defense. It was far from a pefect punch, in fact it was technically hideous - connecting with the thumb and little else, at the end of a fully extended arm - but the set up was world class.
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That really doesn't sound like the description of a lucky punch

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/...asquez-junior-dos-santos-jack-slack-judo-chop
 
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