Why are MMA fans so obsessed with street fights?

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All I'm hearing is

"[insert boxer] wouldn't last in a street fight against [insert MMA fighter]"

"MMA is the real form of fighting / closer to real fighting" ("real fighting" obviously referring to brawling in the street or in some random setting outside of any sport competition)

"Conor would beat Floyd in a real fight"

etc.

Why the hell would an adult be impressed by someone's ability to win potential street fights (that will never happen anyway) against some other individual?

It has absolutely zero relevance in real life. Even if this was some sort of lawless society people would just pick up guns or other weapons to fight.

MMA skills are just as "useless" in real life (outside of sport competition) as boxing, if not more. Obviously they have their use but are largely irrelevant and professional combat sports athletes mostly never used them outside of the cage/ring.

What matters is that boxing is the more aesthetic sport with a better and a more sound ruleset which makes the fight less of a lottery and makes it more clear who the better man and the better athlete is.
 
We compare combat sports to fighting for survival or fighting to assert tribal dominance (no rules fighting) because that is the foundation for the existence of combat sports. Sports in general are a way for contestants to compare their physical abilities against one another. Throughout our evolution, no set of capabilities was more important than our ability to defend ourselves as it meant survival, social order, and aided in attracting a mate. Play fighting is how we honed these skills and demonstrated our ability and is the first true sport.

Rules were put into place to ensure combatants injuries are minimized during sport fighting. One could argue that boxing's rules has put way too much of a limitation on the contest thus being too abstract a representation of the ability to really defend oneself. Therefore MMA,with its greater freedom in method of attack and defence, is a better true representation of the ability to actually fight.
 
Seriously. Anyone who trains for self defense is wasting their time. Much easier just to run over your attacker in your car or shoot them with a shotgun. Maybe even bomb them from a drone.
 
All I'm hearing is

"[insert boxer] wouldn't last in a street fight against [insert MMA fighter]"

"MMA is the real form of fighting / closer to real fighting" ("real fighting" obviously referring to brawling in the street or in some random setting outside of any sport competition)

"Conor would beat Floyd in a real fight"

etc.

Why the hell would an adult be impressed by someone's ability to win potential street fights (that will never happen anyway) against some other individual?

It has absolutely zero relevance in real life. Even if this was some sort of lawless society people would just pick up guns or other weapons to fight.

MMA skills are just as "useless" in real life (outside of sport competition) as boxing, if not more. Obviously they have their use but are largely irrelevant and professional combat sports athletes mostly never used them outside of the cage/ring.

What matters is that boxing is the more aesthetic sport with a better and a more sound ruleset which makes the fight less of a lottery and makes it more clear who the better man and the better athlete is.

I think because MMA is new and Media outlets like to try and get people debating so they talk about it a lot. also MMA is not as established as Boxing., most MMA fans get very defensive and try to look for ways to sell off the sport as more credible/elite when it's laughed at because it's simply the sport they are more familiar with, and don't like the idea of knowing they are watching up a washed up product with a low skill level.

Look at casual sports fans. They will swear up and down that Mike Tyson destroyed every single man alive yet when they hear of guys like Sugar Ray Robinson or even Lenox Lewis, they don't comment much because they aren't that familiar with the sport.

People like to up play what they know, and downplay what they don't know.


Realistically I think the mma fans who talk their shit and are supporting conor in this fight don't truley understand boxing, or understand the skill level involved in both sports.

Anderson Silva looks like the greatest of all time against guys like Forrest Griffin. his striking looked absolutely fantastic. they see guys getting knocked out while commentators tout them as the deadliest strikers alive.

But if you put prime elite Striker Anderson Silva against a top boxer all of a sudden Anderson would appear to be in quick sand as far as his boxing is concerned.

people bullshit a lot about K-1/Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Jujitsu because it's a specialized form of fighting, but when it comes to boxing it's not just specialized fighting, it's got the craziest talent pool out there. it's ridiculously popular.

It's easier being the best in your classroom at something, than being the best in your country at it.

MMA is a young sport that hasn't been around for ages and is constantly evovling. watch early MMA events and notice how the guys look like they would get smashed on against present day mma fighters. you currently still have rosters of guys in mma who succeed after only training for a few years. throw in a fighter who has been training 8 years against floyd mayweather and watch him get destroyed easily.

Brett Rogers went from working at costco to knocking out the #2 ranked fighter in andrei arlovski. all in 4 years and not even training full time.

Travis Brown started training at 26?
Randy Couture in his 30s?

Cory hill managed a 2-0 ufc record with 2 years of mma training.


boxers usually start as children, and essentially live in gyms. even then sometimes they never make it. I didn't really start any type of serious training until I was around 13, or 14 years old and constantly heard I started way too late. You can literally youtube "5 year old boxer" and find hundreds of kids who are prodigys or show promise. Saw this video the other day of a 15 year old amature boxer taking it to Jamie Alvarez(TUF Alumni) in a sparring session


Brock Lesnar went from having an old collegiate wrestling career, went on to be a fake wwe athlete for the length of a decent career, and then transitioned into mma easily and winning heavyweight gold.

the fact that mma's amateur level is almost non existant is proof that the talent pool doesn't even compare.

You can't really get by being one dimensional in boxing as you can in MMA. there are guys with brilliant footwork who can't even make it at an amateur level. As I said Anderson being elusive against mma guys isn't that impressive to me when you look at the talent level of his opponents. you can find guys who are bums who make guys on the street look just as stupid as forrest griffin.



The reason for this and what a lot of these conor is going to beat floyd fans need to understand about it is the skill level to succeed is ridiculously low in mma at the moment, and the competition isn't there yet. Also there are multiple variables and methods of winning in mma so you can get by with not being rounded or polished. in boxing, you literally have to amazing in every area or else you will get abused.


You might be able to get away with it in the Heavyweight divison, but even those guys are amazing. in the early 1970's even George Foreman easily plowed through 5 professional fighters in a row with ease. the skill gap in boxing from the top to the middle is ridiculous far apart.



top of the chain boxers are literally unbelievable for making it as far as they do.


McGregor looks like a great counter puncher but he is going up against guys who aren't great at striking to begin with.


Most fans don't see the skill gap between the two sports, and most guys don't like hearing that the biggest star from the only sport they know is going to get humiliated.



Also this real street fight crap is nonsense. neither boxing or mma is a real fight. they are both sports matches. an mma fighter using any ground game in a real fight is asking for a boot to the back of the head, or asking to get hit with a hard object. hell I might even argue that boxing > mma in a street fight.

most fights start with a sucker punch and finish as soon as the guy is on the damn ground.

give me a guy with the better hands and chin 9/10 times.
 
Because MMA is about martial arts and the bushido spirit, boxing just isn't.

I love boxing, I don't train MMA and I only train boxing but MMA is much more interesting tbh.
 
Because MMA is very close to unarmed pure combat. It grow from it and in the early days it was exactly it. Now it's still close. There's an almost 99% chance that a great MMA fighter is as equally great fighter on the street. But you can't say that for boxing or wrestling or even kick-boxing.

MMA's usefulness is an another topic.
 
We compare combat sports to fighting for survival or fighting to assert tribal dominance (no rules fighting) because that is the foundation for the existence of combat sports.

No it's not. The modern sport of boxing was created by aristocrats as a form of dueling and not because it would resemble "real fighting" otherwise they would have just gone with a "no rules" format instead. MMA was created much later as a form of trash entertainment.

Sports in general are a way for contestants to compare their physical abilities against one another. Throughout our evolution, no set of capabilities was more important than our ability to defend ourselves as it meant survival, social order, and aided in attracting a mate. Play fighting is how we honed these skills and demonstrated our ability and is the first true sport.

Fighting was never relevant on social level and most great leaders generally couldn't fight for shit. Julius Ceasar and Augustus couldn't care less about fighting with bare hands, neither did Napoleon, neither did Hitler, neither did Stalin. Yet they were on the top and had absolute power.

But I guess when you MMA fans comment on politics you go with "yeah but Putin could beat Trump in a real fight".

One could argue that boxing's rules has put way too much of a limitation on the contest thus being too abstract a representation of the ability to really defend oneself. Therefore MMA,with its greater freedom in method of attack and defence, is a better true representation of the ability to actually fight.

Why are you so obsessed with "defending yourself"? You guys sound like some scared women taking self defense classes. In fact that's what BJJ is marketed as, it's a glorified self defense class.

The only people who worry about fighting on the street are scared people.
 
The better boxer has a higher chance of winning in a street fight. Floyd has a higher chance of winning in a street fight against Conor than Conor against Floyd in a boxing match.

They love to use this argument because they already know Conor is going to lose.
 
Because MMA is about martial arts and the bushido spirit, boxing just isn't.

I love boxing, I don't train MMA and I only train boxing but MMA is much more interesting tbh.

Martial arts are shit. Bushido spirit sucks.

Boxing is a real sport and is superior to martial arts, self defense classes and your pathetic little cotton belts. Boxing presents a real challenge and attracts A-level athletes and martial arts don't.
 
Because MMA is very close to unarmed pure combat. It grow from it and in the early days it was exactly it. Now it's still close. There's an almost 99% chance that a great MMA fighter is as equally great fighter on the street. But you can't say that for boxing or wrestling or even kick-boxing.

MMA's usefulness is an another topic.

lol look it up on youtube, you'll find multiple videos where boxers, sometimes really old boxers knocking out multiple people with single blows on the street. You go to the ground against a group you'll get stumped on. Don't be stupid.
 
lol look it up on youtube, you'll find multiple videos where boxers, sometimes really old boxers knocking out multiple people with single blows on the street. You go to the ground against a group you'll get stumped on. Don't be stupid.

When talking about "street fights" people are referring to one on one situations. Just look at a real fight between 2 people. The mma fighter is gonna win 9 out of 10 times. Nearly all fights hit the ground eventually. Hell I'd even say a kick boxer beats a boxer most of the time. Hard to box when your legs have been kicked to shit.
 
Martial arts are shit. Bushido spirit sucks.

Boxing is a real sport and is superior to martial arts, self defense classes and your pathetic little cotton belts. Boxing presents a real challenge and attracts A-level athletes and martial arts don't.
Why are you so edgy man? Lol just chill. You've asked a question and I gave my take on it.

I like boxing and its a great sport, but what attracts people in MMA is that its almost like a real fight. If you would create the perfect ultimate fighter, he has to be a mixed martial artist. A man who is well rounded, is comfortable in every situation. Boxing is great but most of the stuff they do won't work in MMA let alone a real fight.
 
When talking about "street fights" people are referring to one on one situations. Just look at a real fight between 2 people. The mma fighter is gonna win 9 out of 10 times. Nearly all fights hit the ground eventually. Hell I'd even say a kick boxer beats a boxer most of the time. Hard to box when your legs have been kicked to shit.

Nope. MMA fighters are poor strikers. You throw those ridiculous kicks against a boxer you're begging to be countered.
 
And whats with all these guys defending boxing who just joined sherdog this week?
 
It boils down to our primitive nature

If you were to put a top boxer against a top MMA fighter, with no interference from other parties, the MMA guy would win 8/10 because they can just take the opponent down and strangle them or head kick them from distance
 
No it's not. The modern sport of boxing was created by aristocrats as a form of dueling and not because it would resemble "real fighting" otherwise they would have just gone with a "no rules" format instead. MMA was created much later as a form of trash entertainment.



Fighting was never relevant on social level and most great leaders generally couldn't fight for shit. Julius Ceasar and Augustus couldn't care less about fighting with bare hands, neither did Napoleon, neither did Hitler, neither did Stalin. Yet they were on the top and had absolute power.

But I guess when you MMA fans comment on politics you go with "yeah but Putin could beat Trump in a real fight".



Why are you so obsessed with "defending yourself"? You guys sound like some scared women taking self defense classes. In fact that's what BJJ is marketed as, it's a glorified self defense class.

The only people who worry about fighting on the street are scared people.

Wow!! I'll give you this much: you pile on the ignorance and bullshit so thick that it's hard to correct you due to the effort it would take and the knowledge that it will have little effect. You must have read Trumps book: "how to win an argument with insults and bullshit".

Ok champ, here goes. Your view of history is way to narrow. I am not talking about the time of civilization as we know it but much further back. Before the written word, we were animals (still are). We fought for dominance just as other animals do. In fact, the instinct to fight is still there and we still have the desire to do it. As various civilizations rose up from human cooperation, the instinct to fight remained. The less evolved social structures were still determined by physical strength, the more evolved we're determined by strength of influence. Regardless some form of sport fighting has been a part of every civilization from the beginning. Even today, we still have an instinct to fight. Just look at children. Take away parental intervention and children would fight regularly and rarely with the defined rules of boxing. It's a part of our very nature.

Boxing was certainly not first combat sport. Not even close. It was just one of many but it just so happens that boxing was the sport fighting of Britain and because of Britain's massive influence, it spread more than others. However, there is still many other forms of sport combat around the world like Thai boxing, Judo, Sumo wrestling, etc. As with boxing, their appeal is firmly based on the our instinctual relationship to fighting.

Boxing is highly restricted and only allows one martial art. When two people box each other, they are not determining who is better at fighting but who is better at boxing as it is very different than real, fight your life, fighting. Therefore, in the view of many, it's has a poorer ability to determine who the superior fighter is between two combatants than MMA. It would be similar to comparing the sport shooting vs sport hunting (hunting being another instinct ingrained in many). You may be the best shot but that doesn't make you the best hunter. Too many skills unaccounted for.
 

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