Why are leftist Jews so conservative when it comes to Israel ?

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  1. The Sausage King

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    Leftists progressives like Dershowitz constantly promote progressive policy here in the US like compassionate immigration, diversity of cultures, beliefs, and religion. But when it comes to Israel, he and others are hawkish; demanding a strong military, harshly enforced borders, propagation of nationalism, and a high sense of religious collectivism.

    This is the same for most leftists Jews worldwide where they promote liberalism at home, but push for strong conservative nationalism for Israel. Does anyone else not see the tactic at play here ? This is nothing new. The Khazar bolshevik Jews of Russia created socialism to destroy Russian nationalism in order to control the nation with an iron clad fist, but were more than willing to promote their own into business and media posts.

    The agenda is to push an anti-in group mentality for the non-Jewish population, but being highly pro-in group for themselves.

    This is not a conspiracy, it is out there front and center. Kevin McDonald wrote a fantastic book called The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements. I recommend the read.

    The problem isn't patriotic, practicing Jews. The problem is bolshevik minded zionists who still are practicing this destructive policy.
     
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    If you were a minority that saw historically significant persecution throughout history not only in the middle east but in Europe, you might react the same way. Never Again is the motto is it not.
     
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    You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. Ever wonder why 200 Years Together by Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn is banned and was never published in English ? I am assuming you are not aware the reason Hitler hated the Jews is because of the genocide they were committing in Russia and Ukraine. The bolsheviks were majority Jewish. You really don't have a clue, do you ? This is the sadness of Western enslavement by zionism. It's not a conspiracy, they just have pulled the wool over all our eyes since 1917.
     
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    True. Stephen Weinberg is a Nobel Winning physicist who is an atheist and very vocal about it. But he sticks to his tribe. He refused an invitation to speak in England cuz of their anti-Israeli stance.

    Sam Harris and Bill Maher are others who support Israel a little less obviously. Well, not Maher. Harris tries to make it look like he is a real critique of Israel but he isn't. He's with them. All these guys are jews and atheists.

    and then we got Chomsky. A Jew who is totally anti-Israel.

     
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    Some of the strongest voices against Zionism are Jewish (Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Glenn Greenwald, Naomi Klein, & many more), whereas the most rabidly and blindly pro-Israel groups in America tend to be anglo saxon protestants from the south. Lets not paint with a broad brush.
     
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    Because they have been fed propoganda and lies.
     
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    It's easier to run experiments in nations, towards which you have no emotional investment or cultural ties.
     
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    But... this is why the persecution happens.

    Every time it's the same shit. And they are still doing it.
     
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    The same reason Jews want multiculturalism everywhere but Israel. Same reason soros pushes "progressive" agendas everywhere but Israel. Same reason they have been banned from countless countries throughout history

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    To be fair, Soros does push progressive agendas in Israel as well.
     
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    History, tradition, identity, the fact that Israel is a tiny island of civilization in an ocean of violent barbarism and totalitarianism. It's truly amazing that people can look at the ME and see the Israeli's as the bad guys. They are far from perfect, but most of what they get criticized for is done because they are in a neighborhood filled with predators and monsters.
     
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    You're living a fantasy. Do a little research on how Palestinians are treated under the occupation on a daily basis. Its sickening and has zero to do with Israeli security, the only aim is to subjugate and ultimately completely dispossess the Palestinians for the goal of a greater Israel.
     
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    You just answered your question.
     
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    Meh idk; hypocrisy ? Double standards ?

    The feeling of being special snowflakes while the rest is of lessor value ?

    And if you ask : but but anti semitism ?
     
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    Sounds like efficient tribalist strategy.
     
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    I have found its mainly non jewish white republicans being very pro israel. As a jew, i hate most of their policies, especially how they treat palestine (despite being far from innocent themselves)
     
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    Dont forget Norm Finklestein. What a crazy guy he is. His parents died in Nazi death camps and he is obscenely critical of Israel.

    Scheurer is a hardcore anti interventionist 90% of the time so naturally, he would like us to completely cut ties with israel.
     
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    The double standards seem to mainly apply to older jewish liberals. Dershowitz is a good example. Gary Ackerman is another.

    Younger jewish liberals don't seem to care much about Israel.
     
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    Does anyone know Naomi Russell's views on Israel?



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