Why are boxing fans so dellusional about their past legends?

CaptHANDSUP said:
can you please link some videos demonstrating the lock? Either fight footage or someone breaking it down.
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it's what Moore uses, so any of his fights.
it uses lots of elevation changes, aggressive distance closing (think Moore bending at the waist to slip in to basically shoulder to belly and then hitting a uppercut when he opponent tries to pull out as an example)
 
I don't understand this New Age Diet Nutrition Training methods make fighter's today incredibly gifted strong incredible conditioning & this proves today's average fighter's would destroy past all time great fighter's, like Ali.

I will give one example Anthony Joshua who uses this incredible New Age Nutrition Training & he gasses after 5 rounds or simple combinations, he's chiseled strong lean muscular athletic freak but can't last 12 rounds without getting spent, Joshua swims weight training this advanced Nutrition advanced exercise equipment and this Human Evolution, but gasses after 5 rounds ?

Ali & Smoking Joe went life & death for 15 rounds without gassing older Heavyweight's fought 15 round fights without gassing with poor Nutrition no weight training using only natural exercises & other supposed achievements in sports Science but they could fight 15 rounds.

According to certain posters logic, Joshua & today's Heavyweight's should have no problems going 12 rounds without even needing rest, or without getting tiered but they are worse conditioning wise then past fighter's, some explain this high technical training doesn't work making the fighter's worse, that the old ways work better natural body exercises work better because it's leaner muscle mass that doesn't need extra Oxygen, while Joshua's Scientific Nutrition builds to much bulk & doesn't work.

Fighter's today shouldn't gas get fatigued & should be fighting like Lightweight's in the ring, but it's different it's worse.

So this argument doesn't fly, because the methods aren't working that's being used.

Floyd never gassed in fights & he wasn't on this high tech Nutrition exercise program but was on the original old methods of training while eating fast food McDonald's stopping at a drive through while doing 3 day training plus running, Floyd was eating McDonald's & he didn't gass not once, so maybe just maybe the old ways of training work better then the new ways ?
 
TS point is not necessarily stupid, but miss the logic that professionalisation in boxing started way earlier compared to other sports. So by the 70s already was already in the flat zone in terms of professionalisation.
Meaning the talent pool is not growing much more, if any is decreasing atleast the heavyweights.

As the fight Rumble in the Jungle is a technical and athletic show much higher than any fight of Joshua, Fury or one of this guys.
 
Christopher Lovejoy would KO Ali inside 3 rounds.

Truth hurts.
 
Athletes have gotten bigger and healthier over the decades, century, as nutrition and sports nutrition have improved.

But boxing isn’t JUST a sport. It’s also an ART

and the art of boxing has not necessarily gotten better in the same time span.

There are no more trainers like Cus D’amato, Jack Blackburn, Charlie Goldman, Eddie Futch

A lot of the great trainers, great fighter even, take much if not all of their knowledge to the grave with them. That’s why there are no more Joe Louis’s, Marciano’s, Tyson’s, Frazier’s nowadays. Skills ARE lost overtime.

which is to say that today’s boxers are not necessarily more skilled, BETTER, than previous greats despite having the advantages of modern sports nutrition and weight cutting.

Anyone who knows anything about boxing knows this. So no. It’s not delusional to think that many of the past greats are as good if not better than today’s greats. It’s merely the observation of someone who has more than a casual knowledge of boxing.

TS sounds like he’s about one breath away from suggesting that Logan Paul would take Primo Carnera or Max Baer in a fight.

Watch more boxing TS. It’s all there to be seen. Skills pay the bills. That was true in 1920. It’s true today.
 
b-hop said:
TS point is not necessarily stupid, but miss the logic that professionalisation in boxing started way earlier compared to other sports. So by the 70s already was already in the flat zone in terms of professionalisation.
Meaning the talent pool is not growing much more, if any is decreasing atleast the heavyweights.

As the fight Rumble in the Jungle is a technical and athletic show much higher than any fight of Joshua, Fury or one of this guys.
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This, in the mid 70's Ali was making 5 million a fight, whereas the top NFL player only made 150k a year.
 
they're not going to listen, i've said it before, they have the best of this era, but they can't be happy with that, they have to go crap on everyone else. The euros I mean. I assume if china or saudi arabia or africa takes over it'll be the same. How can they be better though when they just started learning something we did and are done with?
 
also,as mentioned, ali didn't throw every punch as fast and hard as he possibly could, no boxer does, it's a good way to waste energy. Also, varying the speed of your punches is something a good pro understands, you throw jabs at one speed for a bit, then throw them at another and you take the opponent by surprise. Not that these guys would understand something like that.
 
This thread needs to be put out of its gripping, infinite misery.

Let it die in peace.
 
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