Why are 90% of Shertards always bashing Holm and being so blind to her skill set?

I don't know if she will last as long as Tate did, but I think she can potentially do more superficial damage to Ronda's face
 
Most people don't know shit about irony.

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Because people here can't form opinions of their own, they can only be told who is the best. People bashing Jack Slack for actual analysis of fighters with their skills and styles, what do you expect?

Sherdog is more MMAth than it is about thoughtful analysis.

In this case Jack Slack is much more inline with UFC hype than reality though looking to push Holms pre MMA striking background when really her striking has not looked very effective in MMA.

Its making exactly the same error as with Sarah McMann IMHO thinking that womens fightsport is exactly the same as mens in terms of where the talent is. In reality womens wrestling and boxing are both tiny minority sports(especially at the higher weightclasses) with weak talent pools, womens Judo on the other hand has a much stronger talent pool.
 
People who say she has zero chance are really stupid.

Not many thought Silva, Fedor, GSP would lose when they did. But people never learn.

If Holm can survive on the ground, especially in the first round, she has a chance of winning this fight.
 
Ugh same reason people don't rate bisping striking people look at the fists and the fists power.

People will Ignore footwork, fitness balance and fight IQ but he can ko someone he = Goat.

Shertards gonna shertard.

I got Ronda winning in the 3rd via sub
 
She looked lackluster in her UFC fights. It's not hate to be skeptical of her chances because of that.
 
because holms has been given 2 cans and couldn't finish the job.
 
To me at least,it is pure frustration,i can see she have the skill set and the physicality but i see no commitment in her shots and she behaves like a scared dear when facing any kind of opposition.
Never saw any of her boxing matches so i cant say if this is her normal behavior or if she is just having the jitters of being in a MMA match.
Fighting the way she does right now,i just cant see how she will be capable to avoid Rousey clinch\toss work for 5 full rounds.
 
I think Holm seems like a really cool person and is a fun prospect but her fights are HELLA boring from an entertainment perspective.

I can appreciate how she uses her kicks to discourage her opponents from pressing forward and how she steps to the outside of her opponent's foot and blah blah technical stuff but she also hasn't shown much indication that she can pull the trigger worth a shit.

That said I don't think she gets obliterated like most of Rousey's comp. She does a good job on the outside and I think her coaches will be privy to the type of gameplanning that could succeed against Rousey's straight-line bull rush approach. I'm more interested to see this than I have been for Rousey's past few.
 
So, you're telling me she is a big enough star to attract other boxers to NM of all places, but she is unable to fight in any other city because she wouldn't draw a crowd out there?

I call BS. Like I said before, Laila Ali, another one of star women boxer, fought all over the place.

The woman has 23 decisions to her name. All of which happened in NM. If you can't believe that is suspicious, then that's just blindness. Find one other name fighter who has fought their entire career in one state, please.

And, like another poster pointed out a second ago, she was beating up fighters with losing records right until the end of her career. She fought some good boxers, sure. And she decision'd them. In New Mexico.

So, based on her record, we know:

1. She never won a fight outside of New Mexico.

2. All but two of her fights are in New Mexico, most of the time in local shows.

3. She fought plenty of fighters who had losing records.

Those are all signs of a protected fighter. Add in the fact that she's got those exact rumours flying around about her career, and it's not hard to see why it is probably likely.

You can deny it all you want, but it doesn't change the facts. Your evidence is no more convincing than mine. At least mine looks at the reality of a fighter who won most of her decisions in the exact same building.

Based on your comments you know nothing about her career and based on that first comment why you are even trying to discuss this with me?

Why you keep bringing up Ali I will never know but its clearly because you are horribly uneducated about womans boxing and are just spouting the only name you know who drew for a bit because she is Muhammad Ali's daughter...

Holm was a star in NM, womans boxing doesnt draw, but it drew in NM with her so thus people wanted to come their to fight her.

You keep talking about decisions, but you have never watched her fight so what is your point? She hasnt lost outside of NM so again what is your point?

Its pretty simple logic but clearly you have formed an opinion based off looking at boxrec and dont want to listen to someone who actually followed her career and watched her fights.
 
Holms fights in the ufc have shown no indication that she has anything for ronda. She will get smashes just like everyone else
 
Based on your comments you know nothing about her career and based on that first comment why you are even trying to discuss this with me is laughable.

She was a star in NM, womans boxing doesnt draw, but it drew in NM with her so thus people wanted to come their to fight her.

Its pretty simple logic but clearly you have formed an opinion based off looking at boxrec and dont want to listen to someone who actually followed her career and watched her fights.

Yeah. Because there is no obvious advantage always fighting in your home town or anything lol :rolleyes:

Just admit you're a die hard fan of hers. It's ok, but it does mean you're heavily biased. She has her good wins, and then she has a lot of fluff surrounding it. All fought in the same city.

She's been protected to a degree, whether you like it or not. No fighter fights their entire career in the same state. I mean, fuck. Not even female boxers and kickboxers do that. Only Holm.
 
Yeah. Because there is no obvious advantage always fighting in your home town or anything lol :rolleyes:

Just admit you're a die hard fan of hers. It's ok, but it does mean you're heavily biased. She has her good wins, and then she has a lot of fluff surrounding it. All fought in the same city.

She's been protected to a degree, whether you like it or not.

Do you understand the economics of womans boxing? Until you figure that out why are you even discussing the topic.

So you are now trying to use the fact I actually watched her fight before Dana told you too as a bad thing?

She fought in NM because she was a star in NM and drew in NM. In womans boxing that is rare. You want her to go fight somewhere else just to say she fought somewhere else when she will draw 2000 more fans every time in NM?

Give it up. You have no clue what you are talking about and continue to try and use the fact she fought in a town she sold tickets in as something bad. That is just laughable.
 
After seeing Holm's last two fights in the UFC I literally don't care if I ever see her fight again. She shows good footwork and use of distance, but that's it.

She's afraid to pull the trigger, doesn't try to finish fights and is content to jab and run her way to decision wins.

I'll happily pass on seeing that.

She might get lucky and get her left high kick in on Ronda which she's KO'd some people with in the past. However, I don't see her having the tools to keep Ronda at range for multiple rounds.

Most likely outcome is that Ronda eats a couple of moderate shots to the face as she chases Holm down, hip tosses her and breaks her arm in the first minute.
 
Do you understand the economics of womans boxing? Until you figure that out why are you even discussing the topic.

So you are now trying to use the fact I actually watched her fight before Dana told you too as a bad thing?

She fought in NM because she was a star in NM and drew in NM. In womans boxing that is rare. You want her to go fight somewhere else just to say she fought somewhere else when she will draw 2000 more fans every time in NM?

Give it up. You have no clue what you are talking about and continue to try and use the fact she fought in a town she sold tickets in as something bad. That is just laughable.

Where did I say watching her fights is a bad thing? I said you were a fan. Not the same thing buddy.

And the reason I doubt that was the only reason is because she's fighting at fucking casino's. I get the women's demographic is small, but unless you have some numbers (which I'd love to see btw), to support that theory then I doubt that was the only reason.

And regardless, fighting in your home state EVERY SINGLE FIGHT is a huge advantage, especially with the judges, and especially at the casino level. That's a common fact of boxing as well.

So, you can claim it is because of demographics. That still doesn't change the fact she had a pro-Holly crowd at every fight, in a sport where lower level judges often support the hometown fighter.

Again, she's had a rather protected career. Maybe intentional, maybe not. Not going to argue that part. But you have to be able to realize that much.
 
E) She's had mostly underwhelming performances against middle of the pack fighters.
 
I took a look at some older Holly Hype Trains in this box and unsurprisingly enough, the same guys who are shitting on her now are the same loud-mouths who once claimed that "Dana is protecting Ronda from Holly Holm".

Fake MMA fans are the worst kind of people on Sherdog.
 
Is it because:

a) They hate Ronda and her hype so much, that whenever they think her opponent "has a zero chance" they release their frustration also towards that opponent who has done nothing to deserve that hate.

b) Their average IQ is so low they think not having X amount of ranked wins/being unproven = bad fighter.

c) They havent really payed any attention at all to Holm`s skill set, so they are just crying in chorus how she is going to lose in 30 seconds despite everything in Holm`s and Jackson/Winkeljohn`s approach to a fight game indicates otherwise. They also havent noticed how strong and athletic she is, how good defensive wrestling she has etc.

d) All above?

e) disgruntled Tate fan.
 
Holly is a big betting underdog and looked average in her two UFC outings. I am not sure she is even Top5. Certainly did not deserve a title shot,
 
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