Overeem is the most decorated MMA HW in history, he’s not a gatekeeper.Faber came to mind. Overeem too.
but then anybody that wasn't champ is a gatekeeper which doesn't make sense
no that's not true. It's champions, then contenders then gatekeepers. Gatekeepers are the people who aren't good enough to be in contention to fight for the title but are good enough that if you beat them then you start fighting contenders.
A contender is the group above gatekeepers who fight for or are close to fighting for the title, you can debate about who is a contender (except those who fight for the title) but you said that all contenders are gatekeepers no matter how many times they fight for the title. How can you be on a combat sports forum and not know basic terminology that's been used for over a hundred years.Please define what "contenders" are. How do you become one and how do we know when it happens?
I have no idea how you've come to this conclusion but it's not accurate.
A contender is the group above gatekeepers who fight for or are close to fighting for the title, you can debate about who is a contender (except those who fight for the title) but you said that all contenders are gatekeepers no matter how many times they fight for the title. How can you be on a combat sports forum and not know basic terminology that's been used for over a hundred years.
you said title is the "gate"...
so according to you fighting for the title, but not winning it = gatekeeper
When you say that the title is the gate and use a guy who fought 3 times for the title as the best example of a gatekeeper it's hard to interpret what you said in any other way. I gave you the one clear defining factor that makes a guy a contender, those who fight for the title are contenders. It's debatable when talking about the difference between a gatekeeper and contender when talking about a top 10 fighter who doesn't get a title shot.-I never said that. You need to go back and read everything posted again.
-You still didn't clearly define what a contender was
-Stop talking down to me and acting like a cunt and fuck off if you can't.
-I never said that. You need to go back and read everything posted again.
-You still didn't clearly define what a contender was
-Stop talking down to me and acting like a cunt and fuck off if you can't.
No that's according to you, which is fucking stupid.
All I said was that gatekeepers can fight for the title
No more responses from me, you're a waste of time.
Yeah, Johnny Cash was a badass.We are talking about GOAT gatekeeper here, in which case there was one true answer, the real ones, those in the know, will know
Overeem is the most decorated MMA HW in history, he’s not a gatekeeper.
Sure but never won UFC gold, and those who beat him has a titleshot in sight. Definition of a gatekeeper to me.