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Who's the 3 all-time greatest MMA Submission Grapplers?

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Who's the 3 all-time greatest MMA Submission Grapplers?

  1. Royce Gracie

    14.2%
  2. Kazushi Sakuraba

    28.4%
  3. Jacare Souza

    10.2%
  4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

    18.3%
  5. Ronda Rousey

    6.1%
  6. Shinya Aoki

    14.7%
  7. Rickson Gracie

    4.6%
  8. Jake Shields

    3.0%
  9. Frank Mir

    14.2%
  10. Demian Maia

    62.9%
  11. Charles Oliveira

    22.8%
  12. Jon Jones

    1.5%
  13. Fedor Emelianenko

    9.1%
  14. Nate Diaz

    1.0%
  15. Brian Ortega

    1.5%
  16. Khabib Nurmagomedov

    19.3%
  17. Rousimar Palhares

    6.6%
  18. Josh Barnett

    2.0%
  19. Fabricio Werdum

    41.1%
  20. Other (specify)

    2.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MXZT Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    Here's my top 5.

    1. Demian Maia
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    2. Fabricio Werdum
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    3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
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    4. Khabib Nurmagomedov
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    5. Royce Gracie
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  2. Slatersan Black Belt

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    Maia, Werdum, Oliveira.

    I’m sure oliveira won’t get a lot of love on this but he has the most submission wins in the ufc.
     
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  3. wheel2wheel United Province of Canada

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    Sakuraba, Werdum and Maia
     
  4. Ironnik94 Silver Belt

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    Maia and Oliveira have competes in far better divisions than Big Nog and Werdum.

    I could be wrong, but i always get the impression this doesn't get considered.
     
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  5. IngaVovchanchyn Plutonium Belt Platinum Member

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    I think Maia is the greatest. I also chose Werdum and Royce.
     
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  6. Natural Order Cosmic Alpha

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    Saku, Big Nog and Werdum. Maia interchangeable with Vai Cavalo.
     
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    I went for my personal favourites, Saku, Maia, Aoki.
     
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  8. Sweater of AV Gold Belt

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    Saku
    Royce
    Rickson
     
  9. defjaam Blueberry Cheesecake Belt

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    Who did Fedor ever make tap?
     
  10. eiyuu Silver Belt

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    Joe Son

    The greatest practitioner of Joe Son Do

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    If it weren't for him committing rape and killing his cellmate, he'd be submitting everyone they put in front of him.
     
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  11. MXZT Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    Tim Sylvia, Hunt, Coleman to name a few.
     
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    15 guys.
    UFC HW champ Tim Sylvia
    UFC HW champ Coleman
    UFC HW champ Randleman
    Judo Olympian Ogawa

    Also outgrappled Mir and Nog.
     
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    Are we talking best grappler or best submission artist? Because Maia lacks alot of submission victories against top level comp regardless of how well he out grappled them.
     
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  15. MXZT Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    Pretty much best submission artist in MMA.
     
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  16. Tyler Durden Green Belt

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    I picked Maia, which had me thinking.

    What a great fight Sakuraba vs Maia would've been.
     
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    i'll throw a vote for palhares with this criteria in mind.
     
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    Saku
    Aoki
    Mir

    They have broken many bones between them.

    I went Mir just because of how agile and powerful he is on the ground, super deceptive... And a total psycho.
     
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    I went with Royce, Saku, and Nog.

    Here's my logic:
    For Royce, I absolutely had to include him because he made BJJ known to the world. If we're talking greatness, I think that goes beyond just how good he is and includes his contributions. Of course he would probably lose a grappling match to everyone on that list other than Ronda, but if he doesn't submit all those much bigger, more jacked dudes back in the early tournaments, who knows where MMA would be today. BJJ today is the baseline - it might not be the best base for MMA anymore, but you absolutely have to be proficient in it enough to stop it or avoid it, or you're totally screwed.

    For Sakuraba, I had to include him because he took it to the next level by beating the Gracies, and because he used his submission grappling to get wins over much bigger guys like Rampage. You don't get those kinds of size/mass differences nowadays. Rampage was a legitimate top 5 LHW, and Saku would be a modern WW. These days we would never dream of seeing that kind of matchup, yet he pulled it off somehow.

    For Nog, same logic as Saku. He fought absolute juiced up monsters like prime Bob Sapp and prime Coleman, weathered the storm and a came up with epic submissions. If you haven't seen the Sapp fight I recommend it strongly. Bob Sapp back then wasn't the guy he is today who takes dives and fucks around to get money. Back then he was pumping every steroid known to man into his body, trained with Josh Barnett, and was the scariest guy in the sport. Everyone back then saw it as a foregone conclusion that he would take over the sport. He also beat Ernesto Hoost in his own sport which is outrageous to think about, given that his technique was just to throw haymakers and be 400 pounds. He powerbombed Nog on his head and beat the snot out of him for what felt like an eternity before Nog armbarred him. Legendary finish.
     
  20. J-Pac Brown Belt

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    I maintain that if Mir never broke his leg, he would have had a 10 year+ epic reign as HW champ and nobody would have touched him. Crazy skills, crazy athletic, super fast, and super smart so he would've kept improving. Before all the head trauma people forget how smart Mir was. Dude was way ahead of his time.
     

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