History Who's The 2nd Greatest Artist of All-Time?
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Off the top of my head (I'd have to give it deeper thought later) I would say Van Gogh. He was a really fantastic painter and I would argue that Starry Night is still one of the best and most beautiful paintings of all time.
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I can't say all-time. Could be Michaelangelo, Mozart, or Shakespeare.
I do have an honorable mention.
In modern times, Bill Shatner has bestrode the art world like a colossus for nearly 70 years.
Dramatic acting, comedy, writing (fiction and non-fiction), directing, singing, riffing.
Truely a renaissance man.
I do have an honorable mention.
In modern times, Bill Shatner has bestrode the art world like a colossus for nearly 70 years.
Dramatic acting, comedy, writing (fiction and non-fiction), directing, singing, riffing.
Truely a renaissance man.
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These are all great picks. There's damn good reason they have the status and legacy they do within art history. Bernini's talent was nothing short of extraordinary, 100% the Michelangelo of his era.
The most concise and demonstrable explanation of Raphael's greatness that I've seen.
The apparent contrasts between the frescoes are actually a fusion; the Disputation is no less phenomenal than the School of Athens to me. The only thing to take exception with here is the title of the clip because there are Other, Other, (and Other) masterpieces with him like the Sistine Madonna (1513-1514) and Transfiguration (1517-1520). The latter was actually the most famous oil painting in the world for centuries. The Mona Lisa didn't have anywhere near its current status until it was stolen out of the Louvre in 1911 and subsequently recovered three years later. The story behind it is fascinating too.
The Transfiguration is the last painting by the Italian High Renaissance master Raphael. Cardinal Giulio de Medici – who later became Pope Clement VII (1523–1534) – commissioned the work. Raphael worked on it in the years preceding his death in 1520. The painting exemplifies Raphael's development as an artist and the culmination of his career. Unusual for a depiction of the Transfiguration of Jesus in Christian art, the subject is combined with the next episode from the Gospels (the healing of a possessed boy) in the lower part of the painting. From the late 16th century until the early 20th century, various commentators regarded it as the most famous oil painting in the world. The work is now in the primary art gallery of Mvsei Vaticani in Vatican City.
Cardinal Giulio de Medici, cousin to Pope Leo X, was also the Pope's vice-chancellor and chief advisor. He commissioned two paintings for the cathedral of Narbonne, The Transfiguration of Christ from Raphael and The Raising of Lazarus from Sebastiano del Piombo. With Michelangelo providing drawings for the latter work, Medici was rekindling the rivalry initiated a decade earlier between Raphael and Michelangelo in the Stanze and Sistine Chapel. In December 1516, Michelangelo was in Rome to discuss with Pope Leo X and Cardinal Medici the facade of the Basilica of San Lorenzo in Florence. During this meeting, he was confronted with the commission of The Raising of Lazarus and it was here that he agreed to provide drawings for the endeavor, but not to execute the painting himself.
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Leonardo DaVinci figured out helicopters
en.m.wikipedia.org
He also painted his ass off
Leonardo is the guy who didn’t even have to try, he was just a genius. Angelo was a try-hard, had to prove he was the best. Leo painted a lady who may or may not be smiling and kept people spinning about it for centuries
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Leonardo's aerial screw - Wikipedia
He also painted his ass off
Leonardo is the guy who didn’t even have to try, he was just a genius. Angelo was a try-hard, had to prove he was the best. Leo painted a lady who may or may not be smiling and kept people spinning about it for centuries
Mona Lisa | Painting, Painter, History, Meaning, & Facts | Britannica
Mona Lisa, oil painting on a poplar wood panel by Leonardo da Vinci, probably the world’s most famous painting. The sitter’s mysterious smile and her unproven identity have made the work a source of ongoing investigation and fascination. Read more about the painting’s subject and history.
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A lot of art is supposed to originate at the contact point between matter and intellect. some call that contact point - imagination. originally we painted cave walls for protection, to speak to the gods, to have your voice resonate through time. there's caves where there are red paint hand-prints, coddled together, but there's 5000 years between the people that made them.
If you walk these caves there's sometimes a vastness than overwhelms. one of space and the other of time, when you look at the soot-covered walls of stone, from fires that went out across a chasm of time that would swallow our little civilization 5 times over. they left their stone tools, their wooden carvings, their bones for us to find. but most importantly, they left their art. people whose lives are impossible to imagine for us left their markings on granite and they try to speak to us, and we still can't figure their words, their meaning.
We know of their wolves drawings, their bears, their flowing herd of bison, surprisingly some with 5 or 6 feet, in full sprint. What is the meaning? Perhaps we must see them as they did - alive, running, free. Perhaps in the dusk of the cold cave, dancing, running on the walls, in tune with the flames of the fires and the light from those fires that made the fixed drawings dance. Maybe more, with one eye in this world, and the other one from the other, as in a shaman trance.
Science has nigh given up on the explanation of what do they represent. It can tell us, in despair, how they were made, but there's nothing but conjecture when it comes to the meaning. is it simpler than we think? are we overthinking it? was it just an effort to make the cave look better, which is the most capitalist view of art possible.
There is a vast circle of human silence between us and them. A circle that can't ever be broken, but the spirit is undeniable. Like Michelangelo, this spirit can duplicate the world in simulation - you look at charcoal lines and pigment from crushed bugs and see life, the most powerful magic there is. A language not to find, but to disappear.
who is the second best artist? we know who the best is. the second is the spirit that endured in damp, dark caves, alone, nameless, forgotten, yet part of the great story, pushing it forward.
If you walk these caves there's sometimes a vastness than overwhelms. one of space and the other of time, when you look at the soot-covered walls of stone, from fires that went out across a chasm of time that would swallow our little civilization 5 times over. they left their stone tools, their wooden carvings, their bones for us to find. but most importantly, they left their art. people whose lives are impossible to imagine for us left their markings on granite and they try to speak to us, and we still can't figure their words, their meaning.
We know of their wolves drawings, their bears, their flowing herd of bison, surprisingly some with 5 or 6 feet, in full sprint. What is the meaning? Perhaps we must see them as they did - alive, running, free. Perhaps in the dusk of the cold cave, dancing, running on the walls, in tune with the flames of the fires and the light from those fires that made the fixed drawings dance. Maybe more, with one eye in this world, and the other one from the other, as in a shaman trance.
Science has nigh given up on the explanation of what do they represent. It can tell us, in despair, how they were made, but there's nothing but conjecture when it comes to the meaning. is it simpler than we think? are we overthinking it? was it just an effort to make the cave look better, which is the most capitalist view of art possible.
There is a vast circle of human silence between us and them. A circle that can't ever be broken, but the spirit is undeniable. Like Michelangelo, this spirit can duplicate the world in simulation - you look at charcoal lines and pigment from crushed bugs and see life, the most powerful magic there is. A language not to find, but to disappear.
who is the second best artist? we know who the best is. the second is the spirit that endured in damp, dark caves, alone, nameless, forgotten, yet part of the great story, pushing it forward.
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Awesome.
I also like El Greco and Peter Paul Reubens.
A lot of art is supposed to originate at the contact point between matter and intellect. some call that contact point - imagination. originally we painted cave walls for protection, to speak to the gods, to have your voice resonate through time. there's caves where there are red paint hand-prints, coddled together, but there's 5000 years between the people that made them.
If you walk these caves there's sometimes a vastness than overwhelms. one of space and the other of time, when you look at the soot-covered walls of stone, from fires that went out across a chasm of time that would swallow our little civilization 5 times over. they left their stone tools, their wooden carvings, their bones for us to find. but most importantly, they left their art. people whose lives are impossible to imagine for us left their markings on granite and they try to speak to us, and we still can't figure their words, their meaning.
We know of their wolves drawings, their bears, their flowing herd of bison, surprisingly some with 5 or 6 feet, in full sprint. What is the meaning? Perhaps we must see them as they did - alive, running, free. Perhaps in the dusk of the cold cave, dancing, running on the walls, in tune with the flames of the fires and the light from those fires that made the fixed drawings dance. Maybe more, with one eye in this world, and the other one from the other, as in a shaman trance.
Science has nigh given up on the explanation of what do they represent. It can tell us, in despair, how they were made, but there's nothing but conjecture when it comes to the meaning. is it simpler than we think? are we overthinking it? was it just an effort to make the cave look better, which is the most capitalist view of art possible.
There is a vast circle of human silence between us and them. A circle that can't ever be broken, but the spirit is undeniable. Like Michelangelo, this spirit can duplicate the world in simulation - you look at charcoal lines and pigment from crushed bugs and see life, the most powerful magic there is. A language not to find, but to disappear.
who is the second best artist? we know who the best is. the second is the spirit that endured in damp, dark caves, alone, nameless, forgotten, yet part of the great story, pushing it forward.
Poignant.
Almost channeling Orson Welles outside Chartres Cathedral here, lol.
Truly, we do.
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Amazing post capturing an iconic human being. Hard to disagree with anything you posted.
I can't even rationalize 2nd against that kind of resume.
On a side note, as a fan of sculpture, have you seen the documentary called "Struggle" on 20th century Polish enigma Stanislav Szukalski? Dude was an absolute unit, love his works.
Amazing post capturing an iconic human being. Hard to disagree with anything you posted.
I can't even rationalize 2nd against that kind of resume.
On a side note, as a fan of sculpture, have you seen the documentary called "Struggle" on 20th century Polish enigma Stanislav Szukalski? Dude was an absolute unit, love his works.
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These are all great picks. There's damn good reason they have the status and legacy they do within art history. Bernini's talent was nothing short of extraordinary, 100% the Michelangelo of his era.
The most concise and demonstrable explanation of Raphael's greatness that I've seen.
The apparent contrasts between the frescoes are actually a fusion; the Disputation is no less phenomenal than the School of Athens to me. The only thing to take exception with here is the title of the clip because there are Other, Other, (and Other) masterpieces with him like the Sistine Madonna (1513-1514) and Transfiguration (1517-1520). The latter was actually the most famous oil painting in the world for centuries. The Mona Lisa didn't have anywhere near its current status until it was stolen out of the Louvre in 1911 and subsequently recovered three years later. The story behind it is fascinating too.
The Transfiguration is the last painting by the Italian High Renaissance master Raphael. Cardinal Giulio de Medici – who later became Pope Clement VII (1523–1534) – commissioned the work. Raphael worked on it in the years preceding his death in 1520. The painting exemplifies Raphael's development as an artist and the culmination of his career. Unusual for a depiction of the Transfiguration of Jesus in Christian art, the subject is combined with the next episode from the Gospels (the healing of a possessed boy) in the lower part of the painting. From the late 16th century until the early 20th century, various commentators regarded it as the most famous oil painting in the world. The work is now in the primary art gallery of Mvsei Vaticani in Vatican City.
Cardinal Giulio de Medici, cousin to Pope Leo X, was also the Pope's vice-chancellor and chief advisor. He commissioned two paintings for the cathedral of Narbonne, The Transfiguration of Christ from Raphael and The Raising of Lazarus from Sebastiano del Piombo. With Michelangelo providing drawings for the latter work, Medici was rekindling the rivalry initiated a decade earlier between Raphael and Michelangelo in the Stanze and Sistine Chapel. In December 1516, Michelangelo was in Rome to discuss with Pope Leo X and Cardinal Medici the facade of the Basilica of San Lorenzo in Florence. During this meeting, he was confronted with the commission of The Raising of Lazarus and it was here that he agreed to provide drawings for the endeavor, but not to execute the painting himself.
The hand forming into the thigh is staggering.
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Have you been to The Sistine Chapel? You will never know the marvel of it till you look up and see it for yourself.I mulled whether or not to expand the definition of the term beyond the classical visual mediums and into the literary and performing arts in order to include the likes of novelists, poets, playwrights, and musicians. Sure, why not? I feel it still applies regardless. As a matter of personal taste, I'm amazed by his High Renaissance rival (Rafael, not Da Vinci); blown away by the masters of Baroque era painting (Caravaggio) and sculpture (Bernini), but Michelangelo still clears everyone. Why?
Well, when you carve the world's most famous sculptures (plural), paint the world's most iconic frescoes (plural) despite no prior experience in the medium (!!!), take over as chief architect for the world's largest and greatest church in all of Christendom (dome and drum in particular), represent the pinnacle of your art movement (Renaissance) and are responsible for ushering in the next (Mannerism), you have become a one-man cultural force the likes of which the world has never seen before or since. It's a level of achievement that practically transcends the inherently subjective nature of art itself. It is the transcendentals of truth, beauty, and goodness defined.
Curriculum Vitae (1498-1564) | (Age 23-88)
1498-99: Pietà (Sculpture) | Vatican City
1501-04: David (Sculpture) | Florence
1501-04: Madonna & Child (Sculpture) | Bruges
1503-04: Saint Paul (Sculpture) | Siena
1503-04: Saint Peter (Sculpture) | Siena
1503-06: Holy Family (Oil Painting) | Florence
1508-12: Book of Genesis (Fresco) | Vatican City
1513-15: Moses (Sculpture) | Rome
1523-34: Laurentian Library (Architecture) | Florence
1532-34: Genius of Victory (Sculpture) | Florence
1536-41: The Last Judgment (Fresco) | Vatican City
1536-45: Piazza del Campidoglio (Architecture) | Rome
1542-45: Conversion of Saint Paul (Fresco) | Vatican City
1546-50: Crucifixion of Saint Peter (Fresco) | Vatican City
1546-64: Saint Peter's Basilica (Architecture) | Vatican City
“It is well with me only when I have a chisel in my hand.”
"I am not in the right place—I am not a painter."
"I undertake this only for the love of God and in honor of the Apostle (Saint Peter)."
^ He refused to receive any compensation for it. A better look: Bernini's 95-foot tall sculpted bronze canopy (St. Peter's Baldachin) directly underneath the dome of Michelangelo's architectural design.
So Who Stands (Nearly) Next To Him?
It's magnificent.
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I have a gigantic this in a gold frame in my kitchen.1. Leo da God
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Thankfully no Rotkos and Pollocks surfaced in this thread. Sherbros have taste.
I would agree that Michaelangelo is #1. His resume is stellar, he made so many iconic pieces in different aspects of art. If we had a photo of him, it should have been put in the encyclopedias for the article "genius".
However we have so many great, wonderful artists that picking a #2 (or even making a top 10) is extremely difficult .
I will just mention a couple of painters I really like, Gustav Klimt and Ivan Aivazovsky.
I would agree that Michaelangelo is #1. His resume is stellar, he made so many iconic pieces in different aspects of art. If we had a photo of him, it should have been put in the encyclopedias for the article "genius".
However we have so many great, wonderful artists that picking a #2 (or even making a top 10) is extremely difficult .
I will just mention a couple of painters I really like, Gustav Klimt and Ivan Aivazovsky.
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Da Vinci is the GOAT.
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Awesome.
I also like El Greco and Peter Paul Reubens.
Poignant.
Almost channeling Orson Welles outside Chartres Cathedral here, lol.
Truly, we do.
Appreciate the pics. I forget sometimes just how big the David sculpture is. It's fucking mind boggling.
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She did wanted a baby one more time LOL
