Who won Magny vs Hendricks?

Who won?

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Based Akali said:
It's not a Johnny thing, if any fighter on the roster tried to stall against the cage, get a take down and do nothing with it people would score it the same way. It became clear half way through the first round that he wasn't going to out strike Magny so he tried to use his wrestling to stall the fight. Lucky we had a set of judges that through that, he didn't try to do anything, but hang on.
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you got no point.
With the size & reach advantage, it was obvious Johnny would not win a standup fight.
He imposed his will and took Magny down at will.

Your assessment of judges is ridiculous projecting and justifying something that never took place in MMA.
 
Shaddows said:
you got no point.
With the size & reach advantage, it was obvious Johnny would not win a standup fight.
He imposed his will and took Magny down at will.

Your assessment of judges is ridiculous projecting and justifying something that never took place in MMA.
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Wrong again, this is the second time that Johnny has tried to lay and pray a fight instead of working on the ground, this time it didn't cost him a title though.
 
Shaddows said:
terrible point.
Magny did not chose to be at the bottom.
Being on top is obviously ring control.
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Cage control is the lowest criteria for scoring.

"Effective striking and grappling, aggression, and Octagon control, in that order."

You can't get a takedown and then just lay there while your opponent caves your skull in with elbows and locks up subs and expect to win.

Frankly, I'm surprised you have a 2011 join date. You sound like you're new to MMA.
 
Shaddows said:
terrible point.
Magny did not chose to be at the bottom.
Being on top is obviously ring control.
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That only accounts for half of the two rounds in question. He lost the striking for half of rounds 1 and 3. He then got takedowns and proceeded to be outstruck on the ground in both instances. Octagon control doesn't trump effective striking.

Johny wasn't active enough on the ground to win those rounds. Just being on top for half the round doesn't automatically win you the round. If he'd landed more strikes, advanced positions, etc, it'd be different. But he didn't. He threw a few shots, little enough to be outstruck on the ground, and then defended against submission attempts and got elbowed in the face repeatedly until the round ended. That's not enough to win either of those rounds considering Magny was winning the striking beforehand.
 
shadow_priest_x said:
Cage control is the lowest criteria for scoring.

"Effective striking and grappling, aggression, and Octagon control, in that order."

You can't get a takedown and then just lay there while your opponent caves your skull in with elbows and locks up subs and expect to win.

Frankly, I'm surprised you have a 2011 join date. You sound like you're new to MMA.
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sorry, but you prove my point.
grappling, aggression, and Octagon control were all Johnny.
He only lost in striking.
 
DeathIsHere said:
That only accounts for half of the two rounds in question. He lost the striking for half of rounds 1 and 3. He then got takedowns and proceeded to be outstruck on the ground in both instances. Octagon control doesn't trump effective striking.

Johny wasn't active enough on the ground to win those rounds. Just being on top for half the round doesn't automatically win you the round. If he'd landed more strikes, advanced positions, etc, it'd be different. But he didn't. He threw a few shots, little enough to be outstruck on the ground, and then defended against submission attempts and got elbowed in the face repeatedly until the round ended. That's not enough to win either of those rounds considering Magny was winning the striking beforehand.
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he took Magny down REPEATEDLY, not ONCE.
That is octagon control, aggression and grappling.
 
Shaddows said:
he took Magny down REPEATEDLY, not ONCE.
That is octagon control, aggression and grappling.
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He got two takedowns in round three, only one in round one.

Those takedowns, again, were around the midway points of the rounds too. He was losing the striking in both of the rounds in question, got the takedown, and then got outstruck from the guy on bottom. Hell, if you wanna go that route, Magny won on aggression in those rounds because actually landing more strikes (on the feet AND on the ground) and going for submissions to attempt to end the fight.

Johny didn't do enough to win those rounds. Look at the stats or watch the fight again, he got the takedowns and then did nothing with them. He didn't pass guard in either of those rounds, he sat in guard. That's what allowed Magny to attempt those submission and attack him from the bottom. He wasn't doing enough to damage Magny. Had he done more, he likely would have won because when he got Magny down in the second he was able to land some good shots. But he didn't do that in the first and third, which is what let Magny get those rounds. Blame Johny.
 
Are we judging it based on a MMA or wrestling scoring criteria?
 
If you like TD's with no damage then Johnny is your poster boy.
Magny clearly won the "fight" based on striking and sub attempts.
 
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