Who wins the democratic vote?

I don’t know shit about how this works? Is there a god damned scheduled I can look at for when the states vote.

Yes. Google it you lazy bum.

Bernie and Biden are nuts to nuts right now and I think it’s Bernie’s time.

It's like being as mentally lazy as possible has become a virtue to you people.
 
I’m confused by your second paragraph.. you want them to pull shady shit and keep Bernie from the nom?


Because I don’t think they will or can this time around.

No I don't want them to pull shady shit, I was only pointing out that Bernie is the only one with enough backing to beat Trump imo.
 
hm, really?
nail biter?
not seeing it, amigo
but who knows.



Well, if he splits the Dem vote (meaning traditional Dem voters draw the line at Socialism and won’t vote for him) he’s fucked.. but if he somehow manages to convert and add them to his already ravenous brainwashed cult followers it gets interesting.


Trouble for them is.. how terrified do moderates and people who don’t normally vote get at the prospect of having a Socialist in charge of the country who wants to open up the borders along with all the other insane nonsense he wants to do..
 
No I don't want them to pull shady shit, I was only pointing out that Bernie is the only one with enough backing to beat Trump imo.



Maybe. Bernie may struggle heavily with moderates tho. His policies are very extreme, and moderates are called ‘moderate’ for a reason. And conventional wisdom in elections seems to suggest winning the moderate vote is extremely important. Biden can do that with less of a hill climb than Bernie, imo
 
Maybe. Bernie may struggle heavily with moderates tho. His policies are very extreme, and moderates are called ‘moderate’ for a reason.

Oh I agree, in fact I'll take it a step further and say he's a fucking communist. But based on leftist opinion that I've read, heard IRL etc, I think he has the best chance against Trump. Hopefully they'll nominate Mr Magoo instead and we can all sit back and laugh when Trump wipes the floor with him in the debates.
 
As I’m someone who generally and genuinely dislikes the field.. why are so many people so confident Trump has this on lock?

Because of all the made up bullshit they've tried to pin on him, wasting our tax money on a fraud impeachment, bullshit Russian collusion, radical pseudo communists largely composing the dem field etc etc etc........
 
As I’m someone who generally and genuinely dislikes the field.. why are so many people so confident Trump has this on lock?
Democrats are so far left they are unAmerican. They are socialist, anti free speech, anti second admendment, pro abortion because of over population while at the same time being pro immigration because of a low population and workforce.

Trump is doing great so far. The economy is great, the taxes are lower, so Americans don't really have many options.

Either vote for freedom or vote for the gun confiscating National socialists workers party. (NAZIs for short)
 
Maybe. Bernie may struggle heavily with moderates tho. His policies are very extreme, and moderates are called ‘moderate’ for a reason. And conventional wisdom in elections seems to suggest winning the moderate vote is extremely important. Biden can do that with less of a hill climb than Bernie, imo
The number of people who would be negatively affected by Bernie's proposals is much higher than those that would be positively affected. It's basically the 9% of people who don't have medical insurance vs everyone making over $29,000 seeing their taxes raised.

I don't think he'll get very much moderate support at all.
 
Bernie gets by Biden and then motherfucking curb stomps trump to the shock of all the 'experts' in the WR.

The number of people who would be negatively affected by Bernie's proposals is much higher than those that would be positively affected. It's basically the 9% of people who don't have medical insurance vs everyone making over $29,000 seeing their taxes raised.

I don't think he'll get very much moderate support at all.
Wrong.

Taxes will go up but costs will go down. Even a right-wing think tank funded by the Koch bros has found this to be the case and it's the case for literally every developed nation on the planet besides the US, which all have a variant of the single payer system and pay lower rates.

There is no debate here, there's no gray area. It is the most cost effective system (making it fiscally conservative) and it covers everyone.
 
Seems like everyone wants Donald for that second term. Sublime theatrics. Very impressed. Curious why hes crucial for another four years. The vengeance of the golden god emperor will be something to behold, backed into a corner and without a third term to lose, or is there? War powers, justified and logical.
 
Bernie gets by Biden and then motherfucking curb stomps trump to the shock of all the 'experts' in the WR.


Wrong.

Taxes will go up but costs will go down. Even a right-wing think tank funded by the Koch bros has found this to be the case and it's the case for literally every developed nation on the planet besides the US, which all have a variant of the single payer system and pay lower rates.

There is no debate here, there's no gray area. It is the most cost effective system (making it fiscally conservative) and it covers everyone.
So the Koch brothers are now a reliable source?

The Koch brothers' study gave a range, and the cheapest figure was the $33 trillion and ran under the assumption that doctors all take a 40% cut in reimbursement. It also comes with taking away everyone's employer provided insurance, so it is costing people more money for a shittier version of what they already have.

It's also the rest of his reckless spending increases on houses for junkies, government jobs for everyone, expanding other welfare programs, paying off debts for millennials who don't want to pay them back when our country is already $23 trillion in debt. The country can't afford it's spending already without increasing spending by trillions.

Trump spends too much and he's comfortably the lowest spender running and Biden is the 2nd lowest.
 
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So the Koch brothers are now a reliable source?

The Koch brothers' study gave a range, and the cheapest figure was the $33 trillion and ran under the assumption that doctors all take a 40% cut in reimbursement. It also comes with taking away everyone's employer provided insurance, so it is costing people more money for a shittier version of what they already have.

It's also the rest of his reckless spending increases on houses for junkies, government jobs for everyone, expanding other welfare programs, paying off debts for millennials who don't want to pay them back when our country is already $23 trillion in debt. The country can't afford it's spending already without increasing spending by trillions.

Trump spends too much and he's comfortably the lowest spender running and Biden is the 2nd lowest.



Add to all that the fact Bernie essentially wants to open up the border and allow anyone to just stroll on in and receive handouts after he dismantles border security entirely. Which given the nature of everything south of our country will create an infinite number of welfare state dependents for as long as we exist as a country which wouldn’t be long after that.. dude left quite a bit out in his response
 
Add to all that the fact Bernie essentially wants to open up the border and allow anyone to just stroll on in and receive handouts after he dismantles border security entirely. Which given the nature of everything south of our country will create an infinite number of welfare state dependents for as long as we exist as a country which wouldn’t be long after that.. dude left quite a bit out in his response
There isn't any way for them to accurately know what the cost would be when they can't even say how many people it's supposed to cover, but you can be sure it's significantly higher than what they're claiming if it also has to cover anybody in the world who shows up.
 
So the Koch brothers are now a reliable source?

The Koch brothers' study gave a range, and the cheapest figure was the $33 trillion and ran under the assumption that doctors all take a 40% cut in reimbursement. It also comes with taking away everyone's employer provided insurance, so it is costing people more money for a shittier version of what they already have

Wrong. No more networks (oh I can't use this doctor, they're out of network! Etc) and it's cheaper for the employer, employee, and nationally. It's cutting out the middleman in payment which eliminates mountains of paperwork and the complications that arise from it, hence single payer. That's also why it's cheaper, a ball numbing, unnecessary step is cut out of the process. It's proven, that's why literally every other developed nation on earth uses a variant of the system. The math doesn't go into bizarro world for the US.

That Koch bros aren't reliable, it's noteworthy because their right wing think tank produced the most biased study they could conceive of and yet even in that scenario when you look into their own study it showed a single payer system costing 2 trillion less than our current system over 10 years. The hilarity is that the 'left wing propaganda' news agency CNN even 'fact checked' their study and backed the author's assertion that a single payer system is more expensive even though the numbers in the data of the study show otherwise.

Also, you have to look at how much our current system costs before citing how many trillions a single payer system would cost. Current system cost minus single payer cost (which is always lower) = amount saved. You're unwittingly repeating CNN & Fox news propaganda. If I tell you that something is going to cost $300 for me to do it and you complain about the price when you're already paying $450 for someone else to do a shittier job that doesn't make a lotta sense to argue, yeah? Same thing.

I don't know where your 40% stat is coming from.

It's also the rest of his reckless spending increases on houses for junkies, government jobs for everyone, expanding other welfare programs, paying off debts for millennials who don't want to pay them back when our country is already $23 trillion in debt. The country can't afford it's spending already without increasing spending by trillions.

Trump spends too much and he's comfortably the lowest spender running and Biden is the 2nd lowest.
Reckless is your conjecture, on its own it's a meaningless statement.

We started multiple wars that have cost many times over what Bernie is proposing and we bailed out the people who wrecked the economy in '08 yet I bet you never ask where we got the money for all that bullshit. Yet, when someone talks about assistance programs and bailing out the common person you buck. Think about it. We already have bailouts and socialism for the rich. Not a single businessman nor banker got locked up after '08.

Trump has run up the deficit like crazy.

It's early to comment on all of his ideas, but social programs are there to save money--they're preventative, this is what people don't understand. It costs more money to leave people up a creek than to have assistance programs. Not having them or having weak ones also contributes to a less stable society.

The cost of college has gone up many times over the last few decades and having tuition free college nor student debt relief are new nor radical ideas, Bernie is taking cues from other countries, namely European ones.

The only part of his plans that I question are how he'd go about housing people and the jobs guarantee, because truthfully I don't know much about those nor his ideas for their implementation.
 
Add to all that the fact Bernie essentially wants to open up the border and allow anyone to just stroll on in and receive handouts after he dismantles border security entirely. Which given the nature of everything south of our country will create an infinite number of welfare state dependents for as long as we exist as a country which wouldn’t be long after that.. dude left quite a bit out in his response
He's never said he wants to dismantle border security, in fact he's on video disagreeing with open borders. He calls open borders a "right-wing idea".

See for yourself. You guys need to quit repeating easily debunked propaganda, no offense.



 
He's never said he wants to dismantle border security, in fact he's on video disagreeing with open borders. He calls open borders a "right-wing idea".

See for yourself. You guys need to quit repeating easily debunked propaganda, no offense.








Yeah, here’s my reply to Bernie..


<DontBelieve1>



And to you for buying into this crap..


<LikeReally5>



You’d drink Kool-Aid handed to you by Jim Jones.
 
Yeah, here’s my reply to Bernie..


<DontBelieve1>



And to you for buying into this crap..


<LikeReally5>



You’d drink Kool-Aid handed to you by Jim Jones.
Baseless speculation. You stated it as a fact, he's on video saying the opposite. He might have the most solid track record of any current politician, I've no reason to doubt him on this.
 
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