how about jose napoles, did anyone mention him? Luis Rodriquez and all the cubans who Ali picked the brains of to become "The Greatest" lots and lots of talent.
Napoles was an incredible fighter. They loved him in Mexico.
how about jose napoles, did anyone mention him? Luis Rodriquez and all the cubans who Ali picked the brains of to become "The Greatest" lots and lots of talent.
think so? So many names and they define everything very different in latin america, country by country, very interesting. I'm a half-breed myself but in america that basically means the white folk don't want you so you're as good as just being Indian. Mexicans on the other hand are predominantly indigenous yet they treat their pure indiginous horribly.
this is mostly due to the colonial cast system under spanish rule . the hierarchy went like this : criollo ( pure ethnic spaniard born in the americas ) > castizo ( 3/4 european ,1/4 indigenous ) > mestizo ( half european , half indigenous ) > cholos ( half indigenous , half mestizo ) > indios ( indigenous people ) .
basically the less indigenous you are , the higher your rank in the hierarchy .this mindset still persists to this very day . mixed people are more than happy to disregard their native roots .
terms like " hispanic " and " latinos " , both inherently european and " white " reinforce this culture of denial . hell , some mestizos in the us nowadays flatout refer to themselves as " spanish " i even heard the description " spanish looking " , describing someone who looks like juan manuel marquez. with all this energy some of them spend getting touchy and cranky over their " language " and heritage , they could explore and reconnect with their indigenous roots .
if you want an example of how confused some spanish speakers in the us are, just look at the angry reaction charlie sheen got for saying that he's white, not latino . sheen's grandpa was a spaniard from galicia , he's of european descent . but for some reason , some mestizos didn't understand why charlie didn't see himself as one of them...
this is mostly due to the colonial cast system under spanish rule . the hierarchy went like this : criollo ( pure ethnic spaniard born in the americas ) > castizo ( 3/4 european ,1/4 indigenous ) > mestizo ( half european , half indigenous ) > cholos ( half indigenous , half mestizo ) > indios ( indigenous people ) .
basically the less indigenous you are , the higher your rank in the hierarchy .this mindset still persists to this very day . mixed people are more than happy to disregard their native roots .
terms like " hispanic " and " latinos " , both inherently european and " white " reinforce this culture of denial . hell , some mestizos in the us nowadays flatout refer to themselves as " spanish " i even heard the description " spanish looking " , describing someone who looks like juan manuel marquez. with all this energy some of them spend getting touchy and cranky over their " language " and heritage , they could explore and reconnect with their indigenous roots .
if you want an example of how confused some spanish speakers in the us are, just look at the angry reaction charlie sheen got for saying that he's white, not latino . sheen's grandpa was a spaniard from galicia , he's of european descent . but for some reason , some mestizos didn't understand why charlie didn't see himself as one of them...
"Latino" means Latin American or of Latin American descent. Latin America is not Europe and people are aware of this.
They're not trying to claim Europe so calm the hell down. Gotta love the whiteness police getting sensitive when they think darkies are threatening to breach the borders.
Mestizo and other racial terms are too exclusionary. If we go by "best mestizo fighters" we'd have to exclude Trinidad and just about all the Puerto Rican and Cuban fighters because they're black or part black. And we'd also exclude Sergio Martinez and Canelo Alvarez and a few others that are white.
No need for that. Latino captures what needs to be captured.
and why this need to group all spanish speakers in the americas under one label ? why not call all americans " anglo-saxons " then ?you could just say " south of the US " , it captures everything and everyone in that region .
people can keep saying that terms like " hispanic " and " latino " refer to culture and whatnot , but we both know that's not how the term is used in real lfe . .. not only latino and hispanic are used interchangeably , but they're both used to label mestizos almost exclusively . ( " hispanic looking male " is often used by the police for example )
the shortcomings of these terms include some hilarious contradictions . like how brazilians are neither hispanic nor latinos despite speaking a latin language that originated in hispania ...and how italians are not " latins " despite being the descendants of the actual latins ..or how spaniards are neither hispanic nor latino despite originating in hispania and speaking a latin language..
this comment made by a mexican-american about the italo-argentine pope francis captures the reality of what the term actually means to the majority : " that guy is The furthest thing from latino " :icon_lol:
Mestizo and other racial terms are too exclusionary. If we go by "best mestizo fighters" we'd have to exclude Trinidad and just about all the Puerto Rican and Cuban fighters because they're black or part black. And we'd also exclude Sergio Martinez and Canelo Alvarez and a few others that are white.
No need for that. Latino captures what needs to be captured.
most of those countries have a rich racial history, and what I learned was really, spain was heavily mixed with moors, jews before they even started coming here. The latin american countries also have East Indian and Asian people going back 500 years, amazing but true. As far as Puerto Ricans not being mestizo, i would question that, I'm sure there is a dollop of Taino blood (which is something some puerto rican boxers claim) even if not as significant as Mexico. Us USA indians had a much more virulent, hateful european stock up here, I recall reading that some politician from the 1800's gloated over the fact that they'd exterminated us so they didn't have to worry about a race of half-breeds like Mexico.
those are the rules, in america those rules were set up by the people in power. Whoever has the power to define has the power. White people thought anyone mixed was impure so they didn't want them. I've known lots and lots of people who were say, half-black/half-italian, half-black/half Jewish and usually, the white side wants nothing to do with them. Indians aren't quite the target we used to be because we are such a small minority and I do think there is so much mixing going on that it's becoming less and less important but I don't believe our species will overcome this trait for us/them thinking and the damage it creates.
this right here is dumb as fuckMESTIZO: Monzon, Sanchez, Canto
HISPANIC: Chavez, Arguello, Finito
thats so fucked up but imagine if the whole country had demographics like new mexico that would be really interestingmost of those countries have a rich racial history, and what I learned was really, spain was heavily mixed with moors, jews before they even started coming here. The latin american countries also have East Indian and Asian people going back 500 years, amazing but true. As far as Puerto Ricans not being mestizo, i would question that, I'm sure there is a dollop of Taino blood (which is something some puerto rican boxers claim) even if not as significant as Mexico. Us USA indians had a much more virulent, hateful european stock up here, I recall reading that some politician from the 1800's gloated over the fact that they'd exterminated us so they didn't have to worry about a race of half-breeds like Mexico.
tbf natives are some of the worst when it comes to us vs them thinking and its not dissimilar to your half white example. only difference is since there arent that many "pure" natives they dont mind letting halfs (or less) hang around but when it comes down to it they will for damn sure let you know that you arent that same and you never will be.
you ain't never lied, sad to say but I don't want much to do with my own kind, some things you gotta learn the hard way. But I have to say that alot of the us/them was branded into us with a million techniques of divide and conquer. I don't worry either way, I know what I am and don't really get hung up on any of it. One thing I have learned is that pretty much everyone is the same today "when it comes down to it" so I don't put a lot into lip service. Green is the true color people care about.
thats so fucked up but imagine if the whole country had demographics like new mexico that would be really interesting
It's even more interesting to watch how america, as soon as Indians were nearly wiped out, began to exoticize them and adore them. Very strange, I wonder if they wiped out all the slaves would they be as charitable. Bob Dylan recently said america was doomed because it was built on slavery, I think he's right.