Who was closer to being wobbled and rocked: Jones or Khabib?

[Captain Herb]

No he didn’t check the official scorecard and report back.

This is typical fan fiction because Jones flinched moving backwards fans freaks out.

Machida threw like 6 strikes that round and jones only a few more but won on forward pressure.

Edit:

https://www.mmamania.com/2011/12/12...yoto-machida-had-a-gameplan-and-jon-jones-was

Jon Jones 2-1 round 1,

Joe Rogan said Lyoto won the first round and I believe him

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Khabib only fought 3-4 elite fighters and became champion in 2018. Jones fought 16 and became champion in 2011. Jones has moved up. Khabib stayed at lightweight. Jones has more title fights than Khabib has total fights in the UFC. It's not close.

Firstly I specified Jon at LHW and Khabib at LW. Jon "Moving Up" to fight cherry picked opponents at HW is cool but not at all what I was comparing. Jon has 2 fights at HW (the division above) Khabib has 14 fights at WW (the division above). Jon also fought 15 title fights at LHW, impressive for sure but 5 were MWs. LHW is razor thin in talent as a whole. 220-230 lbs elite athletes are playing in the NFL, NBA, NHL etc and making in a year what a UFC LHW makes in a career.

I didn't say their careers were identical. Career trajectory was similar except for Jon shooting to the title after coming to the UFC with 6 career fights then got a title shot after 13 career fights (8 UFC fights). Khabib had 16 fights before coming to the UFC. Once he got there he had 25 fights before his title shot (9 UFC fights). Their age is 1 year apart, their UFC debut 1 year apart and they vacated and retired the same year 6 months apart.

 

[Dirty Frank]

i dont think even if you overdose khabib with the best peds in the world that he can win 17 title fights

Overdosed, PED-buffed Khabib would maul Grizzly bears to pass his time. Joe Rogan would implode.

 

[cold_spring_harbor]

Khabib is probably the most dominate fighter that MMA has ever had, it sucks he retired earlier then he could have, especially with the new crop of fighters emerging

Jones longevity objectively places him higher on the pedestal then khabib

 

[markg171]

Khabib has been hurt less in the cage than Jones. As far as MMA is concerned Khabib has inflicted the most damage on his opponent and he has also received the least amount of damage.

Khabib has definitely not inflicted more damage on his opponents than Jones lmfao.

 

[Gamer2k4]

This punch was loud AF in real time. Jon took it well though.

Jones took it well because he was backing up and turning away, meaning OSP's arm was almost fully extended by the time it touched Jones's chin.

I wouldn't want to take that punch myself, but it's easy to see why it didn't have a lot of impact on Jones.

 

[Gamer2k4]

That's clearly a push on an off balance Jones, not strike that put him down. There's a reason you won't see that listed as a knockdown anywhere that tracks statistics.

Exactly. There's a clip of that punch from the other angle, and you can see it lands squarely on his chest.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Jones got hit clean by a Rashad head kick, boxed up repeatedly by Gus, clipped once by Machida and OSP, tagged a few times by Santos, and dropped with a body shot by Reyes.

Don't forget that ridiculously solid (and illegal) upkick Vera landed on him. The immediate impact on Jones? He just looked incredulous and annoyed.

 

[markg171]

Yea, this seems to be much more damaging and impactful that any punch Jones was hit.

It's a pretty open and shut case that that shot Khabib took against Kadzhik Abadzhyan is the closest either of them were to being hurt. He nearly goes down and recovers himself well with the stanky leg to avoid it. Jones has never been remotely in that position from a shot.

It's an uphill battle though as obviously nobody's ever seen that fight and are instead thinking back on the more popular fights of them.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Don't forget that ridiculously solid (and illegal) upkick Vera landed on him. The immediate impact on Jones? He just looked incredulous and annoyed.

That might've been the hardest single strike he took in his entire career and he ate it incredibly well (meanwhile Jiri was getting flash-KO'd by Reyes in a similar spot).

I also somehow forgot to mention all the powerful uppercuts and overhands DC landed on him in the rematch, knocked out his mouthpiece multiple times and he didn't seem phased at all.

Jones has probably the most tested chin in all of MMA and I don't see anyone matching it in the foreseeable future - he has some crazy intangibles of: ability to take damage, ability to roll with shots, ability to see the shots so can brace, mindset to always want to win/get it back, incredible poker face to never show the judges or his opponent if he's actually hurt or not so judges can't gauge if he really was hit that clean and opponents can't gauge whether to go after him.

I think with rare fighters like him you have to target the temple more-so than the jaw to hurt/wobble them, just because they are so solid there and have all the intangibles to get chin-checked and survive. You hit someone clean upside the temple/ear it will typically fuck with their equilibrium no matter how good their chin is.

The problem is when someone is as tall as Jones and good at using his reach to exploit and control range you never really get in position to hit him upside the temple, the chin is just the closer and more inviting thing to target.

 

[TheBulge]

Not really how it works.

Gus got hit with shots that take years off your career, his face looks cleaner than jons.

The shots that truly land clean and rattle your skull, aren't always what cause visible damage.

A lot of the nastiest cuts are also caused by glancing strikes.

Correct. That spinning elbow landed right on the side of his head. He took it flush and it concussed him badly, but you don't see the visual damage from that shot.

 

[AfroBanana]

He got dropped partially because he was on one leg, but also it was about as hard and as clean a straight to the body you can possibly land - you can both hear it and see how it launches Jon backwards, so it wasn’t just being off balance.

Did Jon immediately spring back to his feet and show a great poker face? Yes. But if you don’t think that didn’t hurt like shit you’ve never been hit to the body before.

Justin’s leg kicks for certain hurt Khabib, especially the last few. Those don’t result in knockdowns or wobbling someone though so didn’t seem relevant for me to bring up.

You somehow turned this into a Jon vs Khabib as a better/more successful fight discussion, which it isn’t. We are supposed to be analyzing what happened, not what would happen with more fights or compare the levels of competition. That’s an irrelevant straw man to this debate.

I get it though, you love Jones and dislike Khabib - that doesn’t really add much to the discussion except expose how incredibly biased you are.

I’m pretty sure if the body shot impacted Jon we would have seen at least a moment of it effecting him. It was a good shot but I don’t think it did anything beyond a punch that knocks someone down that slipped. He didn’t even wince and his breathing didn’t skip a beat.

Actually trying to be objective. The entire premise of a guy with 4 title fights who retired in his early 30’s vs a guy with infinitely more title fights who fought consistently at a much higher level is a bias in itself. The entire thread is another attempt to gotcha Jon.

Also a guy 3 weight classes below that makes every fight a grappling match the second he can vs a guy that willfully fights to opponents strengths to test himself…….. Would we compare GSP to Fedor in this same regard? Without pointing out obvious nuances.

 

[SuperAlly]

90% of high level athletes across all sports are using

Only a small fraction are not.

Never go full retard

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

I’m pretty sure if the body shot impacted Jon we would have seen at least a moment of it effecting him. It was a good shot but I don’t think it did anything beyond a punch that knocks someone down that slipped. He didn’t even wince and his breathing didn’t skip a beat.

Actually trying to be objective. The entire premise of a guy with 4 title fights who retired in his early 30’s vs a guy with infinitely more title fights who fought consistently at a much higher level is a bias in itself. The entire thread is another attempt to gotcha Jon.

Also a guy 3 weight classes below that makes every fight a grappling match the second he can vs a guy that willfully fights to opponents strengths to test himself…….. Would we compare GSP to Fedor in this same regard? Without pointing out obvious nuances.

It was way more than a slip, be honest with yourself.

Jon has the best poker face in the game, he hides being hurt better than anyone along with Khabib.

You aren’t objective even when you try because you keep making this discussion about something it isn’t - it’s not a comparative analysis of level of competition or dominance, it’s about who got hit when and how they reacted, that’s it.

The TS is one of the biggest Jon Jones fans I’ve ever met but at least he’ll readily admit it and can cop to his bias plus try to see other perspectives.

Since you see this thread as an attempt at discrediting Jones it really shows how much of his kool-aide you’ve been sippin’.

 

[markg171]

It was way more than a slip, be honest with yourself.

Jon has the best poker face in the game, he hides being hurt better than anyone along with Khabib.

You aren’t objective even when you try because you keep making this discussion about something it isn’t - it’s not a comparative analysis of level of competition or dominance, it’s about who got hit when and how they reacted, that’s it.

The TS is one of the biggest Jon Jones fans I’ve ever met but at least he’ll readily admit it and can cop to his bias plus try to see other perspectives.

Since you see this thread as an attempt at discrediting Jones it really shows how much of his kool-aide you’ve been sippin’.

Mate you're trying to call a blatantly straight forward pushing punch to the chest on someone off balance a damaging shot that "Jon simply hid with a poker face" as though this is a movie where Reyes hit Jon on the exact spot in the sternum to stop his heart or something.

You're the one not being honest.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Mate you're trying to call a blatantly straight forward pushing punch to the chest on someone off balance a damaging shot that "Jon simply hid with a poker face" as though this is a movie where Reyes hit Jon on the exact spot in the sternum to stop his heart or something.

You're the one not being honest.

Did you hear the sound it made?

Did you watch someone Jones’ size get knocked back on his ass like lightning?

You call that shit a “pushing punch?”

I’ve got no words bro - I consider Jones one of the GOATs and toughest fighters ever but that’s arguably the best body punch he’s been hit with in his entire career.

The way you guys try to discredit it by saying “he was off balance” or “it was a pushing punch” is something else. I never said it crippled him or he didn’t immediately recover, not sure why ya’ll are so desperate to create a narrative that he’s some untouchable killer that never gets hit clean.

 

[AfroBanana]

It was way more than a slip, be honest with yourself.

Jon has the best poker face in the game, he hides being hurt better than anyone along with Khabib.

You aren’t objective even when you try because you keep making this discussion about something it isn’t - it’s not a comparative analysis of level of competition or dominance, it’s about who got hit when and how they reacted, that’s it.

The TS is one of the biggest Jon Jones fans I’ve ever met but at least he’ll readily admit it and can cop to his bias plus try to see other perspectives.

Since you see this thread as an attempt at discrediting Jones it really shows how much of his kool-aide you’ve been sippin’.

lmao, 9/10 threads are discredit Jon Jones threads. Also the expectation to know every poster in an intimate basis. “Poker face” is you being dishonest. He did absolutely nothing but immediately reengage and didn’t even protect that area. This comparatively is an odd thread because of nuances. 1:1 comparing damage among these two is silly as previously stated without the many nuances. Again like comparing GSP in blanket mode to Fedor.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

Jones.

Can't ever remember seeing Khabib hurt. But that's not surprising given he only fought 3 top guys in his whole career.

 

[markg171]

Did you hear the sound it made?

Did you watch someone Jones’ size get knocked back on his ass like lightning?

You call that shit a “pushing punch?”

I’ve got no words bro - I consider Jones one of the GOATs and toughest fighters ever but that’s arguably the best body punch he’s been hit with in his entire career.

The way you guys try to discredit it by saying “he was off balance” or “it was a pushing punch” is something else. I never said it crippled him or he didn’t immediately recover, not sure why ya’ll are so desperate to create a narrative that he’s some untouchable killer that never gets hit clean.

Instead of watching the Reyes fight to see what a good body shot looks like

I suggest you watch Jones most recent fight instead.

Hope this helps.

 

[markg171]

Jones.

Can't ever remember seeing Khabib hurt. But that's not surprising given he only fought 3 top guys in his whole career.

The funny part is Khabib was actually hurt by 1-1 can Kadzhik Abadzhyan