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I'm not sure why but after I squat deep and then later try to do sprints for conditioning, my knees are killing me. Anyone have similar problems?
Rjkd12 said:Don't rip on bodybuilders who do 1/4 squats. EMG work has shown that the only difference in activation of muscle is as you go lower your glutes are activated more, and hamstring and quad activation are the same. So, if you want maximum stimulation of the hams and quads, its better to do a 1/4 squat with a lot more weight than to go ass to the grass.
johnnydussimo said:For bodybuilding, sure, legit argument.
But for most athletic pursuits, including MMA, you want your muscles to be strong throughout the entire range of motion, so the EMG activation of a quarter squat is not really relevant
100affirmed said:I'm not sure why but after I squat deep and then later try to do sprints for conditioning, my knees are killing me. Anyone have similar problems?
fat_wilhelm said:I disagree. Athletics do not dictate that you are always starting at a point where your glutes, for instance, have to take the bulk of a static load. Sometimes, a quick burst may need to come from the quads or hams, depending on posture/position. The best way to train for this is to cover all your bases and squat in ways such that all the different muscles get a chance to be the focal point when "reversing course" during a lift.
Yes, when you squat to the floor, your quads and hams will be incorporated as you come up, but at that point, momentum is already underway. A body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest, thus, the point of max exertion is typically at the lift transition. If you only squat to the floor, you're neglecting (to some degree) the dominant muscles used to break a static position at half squat, quarter squat, etc.
fat_wilhelm said:I disagree. Athletics do not dictate that you are always starting at a point where your glutes, for instance, have to take the bulk of a static load. Sometimes, a quick burst may need to come from the quads or hams, depending on posture/position. The best way to train for this is to cover all your bases and squat in ways such that all the different muscles get a chance to be the focal point when "reversing course" during a lift.
Yes, when you squat to the floor, your quads and hams will be incorporated as you come up, but at that point, momentum is already underway. A body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest, thus, the point of max exertion is typically at the lift transition. If you only squat to the floor, you're neglecting (to some degree) the dominant muscles used to break a static position at half squat, quarter squat, etc.
It's best not to tax the aerobic and anaerobic energy systems in the same day.Big_One said:You can run & do deep squats on the same day, but you have to do the running first. I had a similar problem and found that this was the solution. For some reason the knees dont like running after squats, but squats after running is ok. I'm not sure of the scientific explanation for this though.
Ted-P said:Can you train stretch reflex?
fat_wilhelm said:I disagree. Athletics do not dictate that you are always starting at a point where your glutes, for instance, have to take the bulk of a static load. Sometimes, a quick burst may need to come from the quads or hams, depending on posture/position. The best way to train for this is to cover all your bases and squat in ways such that all the different muscles get a chance to be the focal point when "reversing course" during a lift.
Yes, when you squat to the floor, your quads and hams will be incorporated as you come up, but at that point, momentum is already underway. A body in motion tends to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest, thus, the point of max exertion is typically at the lift transition. If you only squat to the floor, you're neglecting (to some degree) the dominant muscles used to break a static position at half squat, quarter squat, etc.
Ted-P said:Now here is a question to all....
Can you train stretch reflex?
Rjkd12 said:I would have to say no. Cocky said yes, and I would love a better explanation as why. I am only guessing and don't have any proof.
A reflex, a true reflex (not something you have gotten so good at it has become "a reflex" because that isn't a real reflex) goes from the stimulus, then the spinal cord, and then the effector (in this case, a muslce). There is no higher order brain cognition involved, you can't control it, you can't modify it etc.. Arousal can slightly modify all nerve action, but that isn't trainable.
Well, I'm going to chance my response mid-argument. I would say you can, but it is VERY marginal. I would assume an athletes fine tuned body would just have a marginally better CNS overall, compared to sedentary people. You pretend to punch your grandma, she won't doge it. There are a lot of factors (such as vision) but overall I would assume an elderly persons CNS is not as sensitive as a young athletes. So I would think that in the very beginning of training your stretch reflex may get a bit more sensitive and a little bit fine tuned. Overall though I would say, for all intensive purposes, that is it impossible to train.
Would that mean wide half squats?CarnalSalvation said:Shoulder width or wider, ass back style is going to be best for most lifters, as well as most athletes. However, I advocate front squats or full squats for athletes as assistance. The trade off in terms of load vs. ROM favors the power squat in this case.
That being said, if you're skinnyish, and especially if you are lanky, you will always pull a lot more than you squat most likely. For example, I squat 700 and pull 675, but I'm also 310lbs, so I've eaten and lifted my way to better squat leverages.