Who is more impressive, Jordan or CR7?

[rex kramer]

Jordan

but I don't watch soccer.

 

[Madmick]

Generally speaking, more countries playing = bigger talent pool.

You can't make an easy assumption like that with Messi, it's unproven. Cristiano actually won shit for three different teams.

28" vertical leap.

 

[tangata motu'a]

Soccer isn't even a sport. It's a game played by soft as hell pansies that flop to the ground like they've been shot if anyone even comes close to touching them. If you're going to call that a sport then you probably consider bowling, darts, poker and billiards sports as well. Fuck off with that shit.

wait...... cant you describe both sports like that?

 

[DS7]

GOATnaldo, obviously

 

[ferrisjso]

I think Jordan's overrated and the media's basically been defiying him in contrast with the historical records for the past several decades. But it's still Jordan IMO.

One thing that works in Ronaldo's favor is that in an 11 man game going to be even harder for an individual to carry teams than in basketball where there's 5 on the court but in the World Cup/international competitions separated from their(typically) all world clubs there's been players who've done more with less like Maradona(RIP).

 

[Shaungotti]

Being Canadian I've had much more exposure to Jordan but I'd still have to say Ronaldo.

Being arguably the best or second best player for so long in a sport as widely played as soccer is tough to beat.

 

[Krayt]

Soccer's talent pool is full of malnourished midgets from Africa, Asia, and South America

 

[Madmick]

Being Canadian I've had much more exposure to Jordan but I'd still have to say Ronaldo.

Being arguably the best or second best player for so long in a sport as widely played as soccer is tough to beat.

LOL, "being the best or second best..."

That says it all right there. Ronaldo couldn't even dominate his generation. He was widely regarded as the #2 behind Messi for the majority of the past decade. It's a disgrace to sport that anyone would compare him to Jordan, or other unquestionable GOATs respective to their sport.

 

[Cyrano200]

Ronaldo won 7 league titles in 3 different countries and 5 Champions Leagues while being voted best player in the world 5 times (@Madmick to Messi's 6, so the rivalry isn't one sided.)
MJ had 6 NBA titles and 5 NBA MVPs.
I don't think the comparison is so far fetched. Depends on which sport you rate higher. I'd say the pool of soccer players is larger (assumption), increasing competition.

 

[DS7]

LOL, "being the best or second best..."

That says it all right there. Ronaldo couldn't even dominate his generation.

LOL at this Jordanstan "oh no someone compared an athlete to my beloved Jordan" do you even watch football?? This is basically like having Jordan and LeBron in the same era. Imagine talking shit to one of them about not "dominating" or being the undisputed N1 when there's another all time great which along side him make the top 2 all time.

He was widely regarded as the #2 behind Messi for the majority of the past decade. It's a disgrace to sport that anyone would compare him to Jordan, or other unquestionable GOATs respective to their sport.

Stop lying, they have been back in forth regarding the N1 spot, plenty of players and coaches have talked about both of them as the N1 and are 6-5 in Player of the Year awards (voted by players, coaches and journalists) and everyone thinks Ronaldo got robbed in 2018. Also Ronaldo has been voted ahead of Messi 9 times to Messi's 6. And of course, he's the biggest sports star in the world.


Ronaldo is similar to Jordan in many ways actually and that have been discussed

Cristiano Ronaldo is football's Michael Jordan, says Elche coach

 

[Fugazy]

Wtf is a CR-7?

Like some kind of a Mazda?

 

[Madmick]

LOL at this Jordanstan "oh no someone compared an athlete to my beloved Jordan" do you even watch football?? This is basically like having Jordan and LeBron in the same era. Imagine talking shit to one of them about not "dominating" or being the undisputed N1 when there's another all time great which along side him make the top 2 all time.

Stop lying, they have been back in forth regarding the N1 spot, plenty of players and coaches have talked about both of them as the N1 and are 6-5 in Player of the Year awards (voted by players, coaches and journalists) and everyone thinks Ronaldo got robbed in 2018. Also Ronaldo has been voted ahead of Messi 9 times to Messi's 6. And of course, he's the biggest sports star in the world.

Ronaldo is similar to Jordan in many ways actually and that have been discussed

Cristiano Ronaldo is football's Michael Jordan, says Elche coach

Spoken like someone who has no sense of Lebron's uncontroversial inferiority to Jordan whatsoever. There's no serious debate, here.

If you knew basketball better, you'd realize that Kobe leeched more votes from Jordan in GOAT polls during his era (and even briefly after his retirement) than Lebron can muster right after winning his latest championship. The sports media always loves to rev up the contrarian debate for views, but it's never serious, as you can tell when they write books Jordan is always their #1, and there's always a few dumb kids with no knowledge or memory who contribute to the "what have you done for me lately" votes in polls. That's why Paul McCartney and Beck are turned away by some idiot bouncer at the door to a nightclub.

This is in the middle of Lebron's career, not right after Jordan's win in 1998:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/poll-who-is-the-greatest-nba-player-of-all-time.4137157/

Meanwhile...
Messi is the GOAT of Football (soccer) (Jan-12-2016)
And the contrarians are all over the map. Maradona gets more love than any other rival, and Pele is in there, too.

Even better:
Who's better? Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi? (Sep-23-2019)

 

[DS7]

Spoken like someone who has no sense of Lebron's uncontroversial inferiority to Jordan whatsoever. There's no serious debate, here.

If you knew basketball better, you'd realize that Kobe leeched more votes from Jordan in GOAT polls during his era (and even briefly after his retirement) than Lebron can muster right after winning his latest championship. The sports media always loves to rev up the contrarian debate for views, but it's never serious, as you can tell when they write books Jordan is always their #1, and there's always a few dumb kids with no knowledge or memory who contribute to the "what have you done for me lately" votes in polls. That's why Paul McCartney and Beck are turned away by some idiot bouncer at the door to a nightclub.

This is in the middle of Lebron's career, not right after Jordan's win in 1998:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/poll-who-is-the-greatest-nba-player-of-all-time.4137157/

Meanwhile...
Messi is the GOAT of Football (soccer) (Jan-12-2016)
And the contrarians are all over the map. Maradona gets more love than any other rival, and Pele is in there, too.

Even better:
Who's better? Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi? (Sep-23-2019)

lmfao this guy actually provided sherdog polls (oh no, 70 people on an american site voted on Ronaldo vs Messi i guess that settles the debate!) as his data to why 2 of the biggest sports debates ever between 2 stars aren't really debates. LMFAO

You might legit be the most retarded guy ive seen around here. And ive read several war room posts so that's really a phenomenal achievement on your part.

 

[Madmick]

lmfao this guy actually provided sherdog polls (oh no, 70 people on an american site voted on Ronaldo vs Messi i guess that settles the debate!) as his data to why 2 of the biggest sports debates ever between 2 stars aren't really debates. LMFAO

You might legit be the most retarded guy ive seen around here. And ive read several war room posts so that's really a phenomenal achievement on your part.

I see I broke you. Concession accepted. Not even the consensus GOAT of his own sport. Arguably not even Top 3.

Here's the UK's Express newspaper with a Nov-2020 poll:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1365057/POLL-Maradona-Messi-Ronaldo-Best-Pele

1. 28% Pele
2. 22% George Best
3. 17% Lionel Messi
4. 14% Christiano Ronaldo
5. 12% Diego Maradona

The Independent gave the same results:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...il-messi-ronaldo-maradona-voted-a8371576.html

1. Pele
2. Diego Maradona
3. Lionel Messi
4. Christiano Ronaldo

Don't like the vote of a predominantly British population? Sure. Let's look to a poll of 253 "football" experts:
https://www.footballparadise.com/experts-pick-the-greatest-player-of-all-time/

So onto a juicier question...how does it feel to lose a debate about soccer to an American who doesn't even give a shit about that D-level athlete sport?

 

[DS7]

I see I broke you. Concession accepted. Not even the consensus GOAT of his own sport. Arguably not even Top 3.

Here's the UK's Express newspaper with a Nov-2020 poll:
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1365057/POLL-Maradona-Messi-Ronaldo-Best-Pele

1. 28% Pele
2. 22% George Best
3. 17% Lionel Messi
4. 14% Christiano Ronaldo
5. 12% Diego Maradona

The Independent gave the same results:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...il-messi-ronaldo-maradona-voted-a8371576.html

1. Pele
2. Diego Maradona
3. Lionel Messi
4. Christiano Ronaldo

Don't like the vote of a predominantly British population? Sure. Let's look to a poll of 253 "football" experts:
https://www.footballparadise.com/experts-pick-the-greatest-player-of-all-time/

So onto a juicier question...how does it feel to lose a debate about soccer to an American who doesn't even give a shit about that D-level athlete sport?

LMFAO

>Britsh polls who put George Best, legit HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Putting the Independent as a legit source HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Putting an article with "experts" opinions, no explanation of who are the experts, at all AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Imagine this being the best you got after days to reply to comment, this is the best you got? I expected more from you my son this was beyond pathetic. A moron like you probably searched for "polls on whos the soccer GOAT" and independent type polls were probably the first few results that popped up. This is hysterical



I could put the countless opinions and actual award votings from players, coaches and journalists but why would i bother with an american bum who has no idea about football and is clearly triggered by Football and their athletes being A level in comparison to shit NFL and NBA cans. Classic american with inferiority complex. Stick to that glamour Rugby you call American football and leave the real football thing to anyone else. You even posting here because you probably got so triggere someone compared an athlete to your beloved Jordan Just relax my son

 

[Substance Abuse]

There's so many people who play soccer that its easier to excel in because the talent pool is diluted. In professional basketball you're playing against ridiculous physical specimens. Jordan dominated them. CR7 is only questionably the best currently. He isn't considered the best ever in his easy access sport.

There's only been about 5K people to play in the league in NBA history. There's probably that many pros in soccer right now and there's also different leagues to hop to. Imagine if Jordan went and played in Spain or Europe for a few years... lol.

 

[Madmick]

>Putting an article with "experts" opinions, no explanation of who are the experts, at all AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I posted the link to the article with the list. The experts are listed individually in name on that page.

1 LIONEL MESSI, 80 (31.62%)
Endorsers: Josep Maria Bartomeu (current president of FC Barcelona), Adriano Galliani (football executive), Joan Laporta (club president), FC Barcelona (Spanish superclub), Carlos Bianchi (only coach to win four Copa Libertadores), Luis Enrique (footballer and coach), Pep Guardiola (arguably the greatest coach of the modern era), Ángel Guillermo Hoyos (coach), Ronald Koeman (footballer and coach), Julen Lopetegui (coach), Graeme Souness (coach), Ernesto Valverde (coach), Arsène Wenger (legendary Arsenal coach), Riath Al-Samarrai (chief sports feature writer at the Daily Mail), Guillem Balagué (football journalist, author and pundit), Chris Bascombe (football reporter for The Daily Telegraph), Oliver Browning (GiveMeSport author), JJ Bull (football writer for The Daily Telegraph), Jason Burt (chief football correspondent for The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Telegraph), Alex Chick (journalist), Sarthak Dev (contributor for Football Paradise), Ty Duffy (college American football contributor for The Athletic Detroit and former writer on The Big Lead), Taronish Elavia (contributor for Football Paradise), Siavoush Fallahi (sports journalist), Graham Hunter (football journalist and award-winning author), Mike Keegan (sports news correspondent/sports agenda editor at the Daily Mail), Jussi Leppälahti (football journalist at Finnish sports magazine, Elmo, and head coach of Kakkonen club JIPPO), Danny Lewis (published author and freelance sport journalist for various papers), Philip Micallef (contributor for SBS), Andy Mitten (journalist, author and founder of the best-selling United We Stand fanzine), Paper (independent magazine), Jason Pettigrove (UEFA accredited journalist and published football author), Ashwin Raman (football writer), Robert Redmond (contributor for SportsJOE.ie), Gert Remmel (football analyst at Finnish sports magazine, Elmo, and head coach of Pafos FC Under-19), Graham Ruthven (freelance football writer for various publishers), Paul Sarahs (freelance journalist), Joel Slagle (contributor for Football Paradise), Oli Stein (journalist), Karan Tejwani (sports book writer and co-founder of Football Chronicle), Parashar Thanki (contributor for Football Paradise), Rahul Warrier (freelance football writer and Head of Online at Forge Press), Chris Wheatley (journalist), Laurie Whitwell (journalist for The Athletic and 2019 Sports Journalists’ Association Awards nominee), Igor Zelenitsyn (journalist), Jordi Alba (2012 European Champion), Dani Alves (most-decorated footballer of all time), Joey Barton (footballer), Alan Brazil (footballer), Antonio Cassano (footballer), Sunil Chhetri (‘Asian Icon’ and current captain of the India national team), Sergiño Dest (Barcelona teammate), Ángel Di María (compatriot), Paulo Dybala (another compatriot), Samuel Eto’o (footballer), Cesc Fàbregas (World Cup winner), Gennaro Gattuso (footballer and coach), Mario Gómez (footballer), Markus Halsti (former Finland international), Eden Hazard (footballer), Ashley Hunter (footballer), Mauro Icardi (two-time Capocannoniere winner), Joaquín (Real Betis club legend), Gary Lineker (Golden Boot winner and English Football Hall of Fame inductee), David Luiz (footballer), Pedro (footballer, born 1987), Gerard Piqué (footballer), Carles Puyol (long-time Barcelona captain), Ivan Rakitić (footballer), Marcus Rashford (philanthropist and eFootball PES 2021 cover star), John Arne Riise (footballer), Wayne Rooney (footballer), Dean Saunders (footballer), Alan Shearer (footballer), Alan Smith (former footballer and current pundit at Sky Sports), Marc-André ter Stegen (footballer), John Terry (footballer), Arda Turan (footballer), David Villa (footballer), and Xavi (one of the greatest midfielders ever)


Oh, and the author also mentioned that there was a separate expert poll conducted by OnePoll Research and commissioned by the History channel in 2018 that put Pele at #1:

Additional information: In the 2018 OnePoll research commissioned by the History television channel to mark its History of Football season, Pelé came out on top and was voted the greatest of all time—ahead of Maradona who finished second. Almost 20 years earlier, World Soccer readers as well had designated him as the best of the best. The results were published in the magazine’s last 1999 issue.

 

[Graves The Elder]

 

[DS7]

I posted the link to the article with the list. The experts are listed individually in name on that page.

1 LIONEL MESSI, 80 (31.62%)
Endorsers: Josep Maria Bartomeu (current president of FC Barcelona), Adriano Galliani (football executive), Joan Laporta (club president), FC Barcelona (Spanish superclub), Carlos Bianchi (only coach to win four Copa Libertadores), Luis Enrique (footballer and coach), Pep Guardiola (arguably the greatest coach of the modern era), Ángel Guillermo Hoyos (coach), Ronald Koeman (footballer and coach), Julen Lopetegui (coach), Graeme Souness (coach), Ernesto Valverde (coach), Arsène Wenger (legendary Arsenal coach), Riath Al-Samarrai (chief sports feature writer at the Daily Mail), Guillem Balagué (football journalist, author and pundit), Chris Bascombe (football reporter for The Daily Telegraph), Oliver Browning (GiveMeSport author), JJ Bull (football writer for The Daily Telegraph), Jason Burt (chief football correspondent for The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Telegraph), Alex Chick (journalist), Sarthak Dev (contributor for Football Paradise), Ty Duffy (college American football contributor for The Athletic Detroit and former writer on The Big Lead), Taronish Elavia (contributor for Football Paradise), Siavoush Fallahi (sports journalist), Graham Hunter (football journalist and award-winning author), Mike Keegan (sports news correspondent/sports agenda editor at the Daily Mail), Jussi Leppälahti (football journalist at Finnish sports magazine, Elmo, and head coach of Kakkonen club JIPPO), Danny Lewis (published author and freelance sport journalist for various papers), Philip Micallef (contributor for SBS), Andy Mitten (journalist, author and founder of the best-selling United We Stand fanzine), Paper (independent magazine), Jason Pettigrove (UEFA accredited journalist and published football author), Ashwin Raman (football writer), Robert Redmond (contributor for SportsJOE.ie), Gert Remmel (football analyst at Finnish sports magazine, Elmo, and head coach of Pafos FC Under-19), Graham Ruthven (freelance football writer for various publishers), Paul Sarahs (freelance journalist), Joel Slagle (contributor for Football Paradise), Oli Stein (journalist), Karan Tejwani (sports book writer and co-founder of Football Chronicle), Parashar Thanki (contributor for Football Paradise), Rahul Warrier (freelance football writer and Head of Online at Forge Press), Chris Wheatley (journalist), Laurie Whitwell (journalist for The Athletic and 2019 Sports Journalists’ Association Awards nominee), Igor Zelenitsyn (journalist), Jordi Alba (2012 European Champion), Dani Alves (most-decorated footballer of all time), Joey Barton (footballer), Alan Brazil (footballer), Antonio Cassano (footballer), Sunil Chhetri (‘Asian Icon’ and current captain of the India national team), Sergiño Dest (Barcelona teammate), Ángel Di María (compatriot), Paulo Dybala (another compatriot), Samuel Eto’o (footballer), Cesc Fàbregas (World Cup winner), Gennaro Gattuso (footballer and coach), Mario Gómez (footballer), Markus Halsti (former Finland international), Eden Hazard (footballer), Ashley Hunter (footballer), Mauro Icardi (two-time Capocannoniere winner), Joaquín (Real Betis club legend), Gary Lineker (Golden Boot winner and English Football Hall of Fame inductee), David Luiz (footballer), Pedro (footballer, born 1987), Gerard Piqué (footballer), Carles Puyol (long-time Barcelona captain), Ivan Rakitić (footballer), Marcus Rashford (philanthropist and eFootball PES 2021 cover star), John Arne Riise (footballer), Wayne Rooney (footballer), Dean Saunders (footballer), Alan Shearer (footballer), Alan Smith (former footballer and current pundit at Sky Sports), Marc-André ter Stegen (footballer), John Terry (footballer), Arda Turan (footballer), David Villa (footballer), and Xavi (one of the greatest midfielders ever)


Oh, and the author also mentioned that there was a separate expert poll conducted by OnePoll Research and commissioned by the History channel in 2018 that put Pele at #1:

LMFAO
i can't
Seriously, you don't watch football, you don't understand anything about it why do you still keep digging your grave instead of shutting up and discuss sports you actually watch? Is your ego that big that you don't mind looking like a moron??

Like 90% of the names you just posted are either A) Argentinian B) Barcelona former or current players C) Barcelona employees

Congrats, you made yourself look even more retarded and i thought you couldn't. You're american so you probably don't even have any idea about the kinda of rivalry it is "Ronaldo vs Messi" so your comment about one "not even dominating their own era" was all i needed to know about your knowledge. Go watch your B level sports that WILL NEVER pull the numbers the N1 sport in the world does my son, leave the real football to people who actually watch it.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Michael Jordan was dominant in a talent pool of height outliers for a sport only about 10 countries really play competitively when he was active.

Cristiano Ronaldo is dominant in a sport not exclusive of height that maybe 100 countries play competitively.

I think Cristiano is more impressive. He also isn't a massive douchebag.

Not only is CR7 not the clear GOAT of his sport, he's not even the clear best player of his generation. Jordan by a long shot. People refer to the best at anything as the "Michael Jordan" of whatever it is they do. Enough said.