Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Snowman3459, Sep 25, 2010.
Rolling with girls sounds like a damn good way to get cooties.
No thank you.
It probably doesn't help that I weigh 145 and I'm 5'7. Not exactly the biggest guy so muscling out isn't always an option. I've muscled out of guys who weigh around 185, but even if a girl is 115, with the proper technique, your not getting out of it through muscle. And for my size I'm fairly strong, but it's hard to muscle out of a rear naked choke lol.
there's a few girls at the academy i go to. none of them really roll live at the end of class, unless the instructor is rolling with them. Last week, we did kind of a round robin where we rolled with each person in class for 5 minutes, so i rolled with a girl for the first time. She was a 4 stripe white belt, same as me, but rolled like a dead fish. Not trying to sound sexist, i expected to be better than she was, but she really didn't attempt anything. I wasn't really comfortable with submitting her, so i just kept transitioning from half guard to side control, to north south, back to side control, mount, ect. she'll probably get her blue before me too.
Cindy Hales? She is awesome.
She probably had no idea how to attempt a submission
A 20 to 30lb weight difference plus the muscle disparity between a man and woman is more like you training with a man 40-50lbs smaller than you.
The weight difference simply compounds the muscle disparity. At 120lbs a 20 or 30lb difference is very extensive, whereas at 160 or 170lbs it is significantly less so. That's the part most people forget. Plus even if a woman is the same weight as you, she's still a lot weaker (even if she's strong for a chick). We recognize this every day when we train, it's interesting to me when men don't want to accept it.
Giving up 40-50lbs at my gym is pretty par of the course for me. I'm 160-165 and the next lightest guy that has any experience are around 210 and up. I'm aware strength and size makes a difference but if they are coming in with 2-3 years of experience on me one would think you would become a bit more used to it because god knows I have and I'll be the first to say it can suck but you do learn to adapt.
Note, I'm not trying to say that I'd have a problem getting tapped by a girl because I've had my butt tooled by one fairly thoroughly standing up and it didn't bother me at all. Just as far as grappling goes I've yet to meet one that I really had any kind of issue with. I'd imagine if you tossed me in against a brown or black I'd be surprised if I didn't get killed. I just haven't had the opportunity to experience that.
lol @ Joe Silva.
BTW, are you being serious about not wanting to lose to a girl that bad?
Ive rolled with quite a few females.
I train on the reg. with 3, and have rolled with two VERY high level ones.
Hillary when she was a purple belt, and Jennifer Petterson who is an ADCC Vet. as well.
Both of them submitted me and swept me pretty easily at the time. I had just started training, and Hillary and her were winning Pan Ams/ Nationals/ Mundials, etc...
Yeah, she started a new school and I go to her no-gi class on Fridays. She's a great teacher and one of the best grapplers in the Northwest, of either gender.
Sweet! A misogynist and a homophobe too! You racist as well, champ?
There has been so many threads like this!
I'm a girl and have been training at a school seriously for about a month. I've submitted some of the newer, weaker guys. They all can handle it pretty well. Although I almost guillotined one of the regular guys who has been training for a few more months than me and he had to keep telling me how he was "just going easy." Some guys just need to man up or us girls are going to keep kicking their butt. :icon_chee
I have many times, but none that were particularly advanced, so I wasn't tapped or anything. But I rolled with one when I was a white belt who gave me a really really hard time. I stayed on top and hung tough because I was stronger, but she had a better all around game than me and it was apparent even though she didn't really get any of her moves off.
I did on my third day and she was freakin' ferocious compared to the guys. I don't think she's had any adversity just for being a girl in the class(since there are like 5 or 6) so it's not like she had to compensate for anything. I think she's just naturally aggressive. Or she assumed I was going to try and manhandle her because of the size/strength advantage. (little did she know I have passive jits)
It was pretty much the same as with anyone else. My hands ended up in an awkward area once or twice but we both know what's up so it was cool. I wouldn't be foolish enough to act like a perv in a room where:
half of the class(white belts) might be able to kill me
the other half (blues and experienced whites) could probably kill me
and 4 of the people (the instructor, his assistant, and 2 of his students) could definitely kill me
One of the girls in my class is a judo brown belt. I almost want someone to mess with her on a nogi day just so I can see her snap his freakin' arm
This. Guys will make excuses as well.
The girl I rolled with was very quick and took my back almost instantly. She tried sinking in her choke but I was strong enough to keep her arm out of my neck, but when I tried rolling, I got sloppy and she sinked it in. However, me getting sloppy is no excuse, I couldn't stop her from taking my back, she was simply better then me and I was very humble afterwards.
I talked to a guy who rolled with her earlier and all he was doing was saying how his neck hurt and was sore from the day before and thats why he got submitted...5 times.
When drilling in practice I used to hate taking Taiotoshi from this one woman on my team. I've taken stiff falls from WBs, rib crushing Ogoshis from heavy guys, got flung 10 feet in the air with an uranage from a 3rd Dan and Osotogari'd to hell but nothing ever hurt as bad as this taiotoshi from a woman 30lbs lighter than me.
She was damn good in randori as well. If I didn't give my all against her, I'd pay for it.
Never been tapped by a girl, but i'm really big (6'2 220) and didn't ever roll with a girl until i'd already been training for 3 months. I hardly ever free roll w/ girls, but have done round robin drills which girls have rotated with me on. I'm too strong and have decent fundamentals so I don't get subbed though.
Now, back at Xtreme Couture I sparred with a girl who had quite a bit of MT training, and she held her own despite a huge size difference. I just pumped my jab & teep while she tried to get inside and use hooks + leg kicks.
Same! where you there this last friday?
I have to laugh at this one. I love your point, but seriously, you used the word "misogynist" on Sherdog?
Have you noticed the reading level of most of the posters here?
Women belong in the kitchen.
we don't have any advanced chicks at teh club rigt now, a good friend of mine is a korean brown belt chick who would tap 99% of this fourm without breaking a sweat though
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