Who do you rank higher P4P all-time Frankie or Cruz?

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  1. Frankie

    63.5%
  2. Cruz

    36.5%
  1. ExitLUPin K

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    Cruz wins

    McCall
    Benavidez x2
    Bowles
    Jorgensen
    Demetrius
    Faber x2
    Mizugaki
    Dillashaw (controversial)

    Losses

    Faber
    Cody
    Cejudo

    Frankie wins

    Deividas
    Jim
    Griffin
    Fisher
    Franca
    Bocek
    Sherk
    Penn x2 (1st controversial) - not including 3rd fight since BJ was completely washed and not a top fighter
    Maynard
    Aloe Vera
    Cub x2
    Mendes
    Faber
    Yair
    Stephens
    Munhoz (controversial)

    Losses

    Gray
    Benson x2 (controversial)
    Aldo x2
    Ortega
    Max
    KZ

    Draw - Gray

    Many thought he beat Benson in the rematch too. Frankie is one of the few fighters in history to have top 10 wins in 3 divisions.

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    Frankie isn't much bigger than him which is insanity
     
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  2. axe wound Edward Woodward would wood the whole holy hole

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    depends. how much does cruz weigh in at for his commentary?
     
  3. Reign009 Not sure if serious.

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    P4P you gotta go with Frankie.

    Could you ever see Dom winning the LW belt?
     
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  4. MikeyB Green Belt

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    Frankie in a walk, this isn't even close.
     
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  5. Reign009 Not sure if serious.

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    Nothing against Dom of course, he really shined at 135. Just a different approach to careers I guess.
     
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    Do you have Frankie top 10 P4P all-time?
     
  7. Candy Routure Brown Belt

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    Frankie would take a fight at 155 today if offered.. That has to count for something in a P4P discussion!
     
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  8. MCS Show mercy to those sheep

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    Frankie. LW is/was a established div unlike BW. Always one of the toughest divs. And they're about the same size I'd say. Winning LW belts as a BW is a gangster move.
     
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  9. TheMessiah Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Frankie was LW champ undersized at 5'6. That's just really impressive
     
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    Only one way to find out
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    I'd edge Cruz by a fanny hair currently, but not confidently.
     
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  11. Brood Orange Belt

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    Overall Frankie just achieved more. A defending LW champ, top 3 FW for quite a while and currently a top 10 BW.
    He was also undersized during his entire career, most current day bantams are bigger than him.

    Cruz was amazing during his prime and has a good claim being BW Goat, but his career remains a big 'what if' due to his long shelf time and injuries.
     
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    Frankie and I'm as big of a Cruz fan as someone can be at this point.

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  13. d2s Blue Belt

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    Frankie, and it's not even close.
     
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    Fredgar. Legendary career. He’s an overachiever if anything, whereas as Cruz is an underachiever due to injuries.
     
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  15. Franklin U. Gold Belt

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    Edgar fought, successfully, at his walk around( basically) ...and for quite sometime. He also came to fight - ballgame over.
     
  16. Mob69 Black Belt

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    Edgar, definitely. Cruz possessed greater natural talent and, if he had been consistently active at the highest level for at least another few years in the period following 2011, then I think it is arguable that - given his existing WEC and early UFC record - he would have established a legacy as one of the most accomplished fighters of all time. His skillset, fight IQ and style were just so good. Sadly, however, his career was derailed by injuries.
     
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    P4P, Frankie.

    But Cruz is the greatest BW ever or atleast top 3. Id say Cruz.
     
  18. MikeyB Green Belt

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    I'm not sure I ever think in top tens all time. I don't see the difference between number 4 and number 7 in lists that arent hard facts.

    He's on the periphery of that list I'd think just because of his losses to Aldo.

    Cruz has too many long periods of inactivity for me. He fought guys who were in the wrong weight class or simply weren't on par with Frankie's competition. It's subjective for sure.

    I'll brainstorm one quick.

    In no particular order Jon Jones Khabib Anderson Silva Fedor GSP Mighty Mouse Amanda Nunez Connor Aldo Stipe

    That's just a quick random. I think it gets kind of arbitrary after the top 5. Had Frankie beat Bendo, Max, or Aldo my opinion is different
     
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    cruz by more title defenses
     
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    I'd give Frankie the edge, but not by too much.
     

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