Who are the 2nd GOATs of each weight class?

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  1. RiotWyatt

    RiotWyatt Black Belt

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    FlW - Benividez
    BW - Faber
    FW - Faber
    LW - Gomi
    WW - Hughes
    MW - Henderson
    LHW - Liddell/Couture/Tito/Shogun/Machida/Frank Shamrock
    HW - ?

    This is off the top of my head.
     
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    Heavyweight - Nogueira, Couture... Cro Cop may be a stretch

    Honourable mention to Frank Mir who could've been up there had he not missed out on his prime
     
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    Bokelj Trigger central

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    In what organization or overall?

    FlW - Benavidez
    BW - Faber
    FW - Faber
    LW - Henderson-Pettis-Gomi
    WW - Hughes
    MW - Belfort
    LHW - Shogun
    HW - Nog or Couture
     
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  4. ShreddinMMA

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    If Weidman beats Vitor, I think it's reasonable to put him at #2 as far as MWs go.
     
  5. Jukai

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    FlW - Urushitani
    BW - Torres
    FW - Faber
    LW - Gomi
    WW - Hughes
    MW - Franklin (Weidman closing in shortly)
    LHW - Liddell... or Silva...
    HW - Nogueira


    Guys like Hendo and Couture will always never have a place because they jumped weight so much.
     
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    HW is obviously Nog. That should have been the easiest pick rather than the one unsure one.
     
  7. moreorless87

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    I would say the case for Weidman is already pretty strong, the reality is that none of the older big names(Hendo, Filho, Franklin, Lindland) ever built up that amazing a record at MW, the best argument against him would actually be Vitor who has wins over Franklin, Bislpng, Rockhold, AJ, Akiyama, Hendo and Lindland, the last two were maybe on the decline but still good wins at that point.

    At LHW its either Shogun, Wanderlei or Chuck, personally I would say they rank in that order, Rua didn't have as long at the top but picked up more quality wins(if you include Machida 1 especially) whilst he was there.

    HW I think its very clearly Nog, whilst Cain can argue he's never been below anyone in this era I don't think he has the record to justity it. Werdum I spose you could argue is building up a win list similar to Nogs but also has definitive loses to multiple opponents during his prime years.

    Hughes does seem the obvious name for WW although I think that unlike Nog theres a strong case that the division has advanced a great deal since his era. Really though I'm not sure anyone else has put together a strong enough run, Sheilds I spose you could argue although a good deal of it was at MW.

    LW doesn't really work since there's no consensus on the #1 and the #2 would be equally unclear anyway.
     
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    HW - Nogueira or Couture
    LHW - Wanderlei
    MW - Hendo
    WW - Hughes
    LW - Gomi but Pettis is closing in.
    FW - Faber
    BW - Barao
    FLW - Benavidez
     
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    HW: Nog
    LHW: Shogun
    MW: Weidman/Hendo
    WW: Hughes
    LW: Edgar/Gomi
    FW: Faber
    BW: Torres
     
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    FlW - 2nd Dodson 1st MM
    BW - Renan Cruz
    FW - McGregor Aldo
    LW - Pettis Penn
    WW - Hughes
    MW - Weidman
    LHW - Rashad/ Machida
    HW - Cain
     
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    Seriously? You'd have Rashad and Machida over Chuck, Tito, Shogun, Wanderlei etc?

    I'm not even going to take the bait with Conor being in there either.
     
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    HW: Nogueira
    LHW: Shogun
    MW: Weidman
    WW: Hughes
    LW: Pettis
    FW: Faber
    BW: Barao
    FLW: Didn't follow the weight class before it was added to the UFC, hard to make fair judgement
     
  13. Moneymma

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    Fw:benevidez will always be n2 guy,so i'll go with dodson(would beat joe in title fight)
    Bw:barao is goat,n2 is cruz or faber
    Fw:n2 is mendes
    Lw:hard one,bj looks bad in most of his defeats and frankie only lose via close dec
    And beat him x3. Bj is second best,n3 is bendo and frankie is goat
    Ww:hughes,n3 is bj
    Mw:franklin,n3 is the chris
    Lhw:tito or chuck
    Hw:randy,cain,big nog,cro cop,reem,jds,werdum,hunt
     
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    psyops Banned Banned

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    No number 3 at ww is not Bj. No way no.how
     
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    I'd have to say Fitch, although Robbie is a good contender these days.
     
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    How is it possible to have a second greatest of all time?
     
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    Beat hughes 2 times and fought gsp for a chanse to be only two division champ at the same time
    Also i couldnt think of anybody better. Hendricks is up there too
     
  18. vasililiev

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    HW: 1.Fedor Emelianenko 2. Cain
    LHW: 1.Jon Jones 2. Daniel Cormier
    MW: 1.Anderson Silva 2. Wandarlei silva

    The others weight classes are not important... who cares about them.
     
  19. surgeyou1

    surgeyou1 Welcome to the Machida Era...Part Deux

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    Reading thread titles are also not important for you I guess.
     
  20. XCuTioNeR

    XCuTioNeR Mundo Hispano FECARBOX Champion

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    It's Sherdog, you can have 10 GOATS in each division.
     

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