Who are examples of top 5 MMA Fighters who primarily use pure Muay Thai?

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  1. emax

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    Out of all the MMA fighters who have cracked the top 5 in the past 3-4 years or so, who among them has a striking style that can be considered pure Muay Thai? I had thought that most top 5 ranked MMA fighters use a kickboxing style that is Muay Thai mixed in with elements of Western boxing and Kyokushin, often sort of like Dutch kickboxing. So who would be examples of top 5 ranked MMA fighters over the last several years whose style can be considered pure Muay Thai as opposed to this hybrid?
     
  2. PivotPunch

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    Top 5? Cerrone is pretty MT ish for an American MMA fighter but it's arguable whether he is top 5 at the moment maybe he is.
    Is Matt Brown top 5? Not sure either but he's also pretty MT ish for an American MMA fighter.
    Anderson was less Brazillian in his MT in his MT than the other guys from Chute Box but you could still see a bit that he was taught Brazillian MT and he has abandoned that MT style for for many years now and now has his own style that is based around boxing in it's movement.
    So he probably doesn't count.


    That's it Matt Brown and Cerrone are the only guys whoa re (arguably) top 5 who have something at least close to a pure MT style at the moment all the other guys use elements but don't use something that really resembles the MT that you'd find in Thailand.

    Brazillian MT like Wanderlei and Werudm use is something on it's own. Aldo and Overeem fight Dutch style. And many/most guys simply use their own style that's based on the kickboxing they learn at their MMA gym. Most MMA fighters will say their standuo style is MT but how they fight is most of the time not really what you'd consider pure MT.
     
  3. emax

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    That is a unique way to look at it. Among the following fighters, given that their fighting style is not completely like Muay Thai, boxing or Kyokushin, would you then say their style is closest to traditional Muay Thai, Brazilian Muay Thai, Dutch Kickboxing, Muay Thai and Western Boxing combined, mostly just Western boxing or some combination of Muay Thai, Koykushin, American karate and boxing?

    Demetrious Johnson
    Team Alpha Male Members
    Conor McGregor
    Anthony Pettis
    Rafael Dos Anjos
    Benson Henderson
    Josh Thomson
    Gil Melendez
    Robbie Lawler
    Luke Rockhold
    Chris Weidman
    Kevin Gastelum
    Gustaffson
    Jacare Souza
     
  4. biscuitsbrah

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    Of course its all adapted to mma. So they dont use all the techniques and they blend it with other styles well.
     
  5. PivotPunch

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    It's not that unique of a way to look at it I'm sure most hardcore MT fans in the MT forum would say the same and I'm not really a hardcore MT fan.

    Demetrius Johnson has a great clinch that's his main aspect he takes from MT but the rest of his standup is totally un MT ish int he traditional sense he moves too much, his stance isn't MT ish and he relies more on moving in and out with boxing.

    Team Alpha member is totally un MT I don't think i even need to explain Dillashaw moves a lot and is super un MT in the traditional way and Mendes for example is if anything more like Dutch kickboxing but not even that much he is more of a boxer/powerpuncher who likes to counter with hard single shots. Ludwig doesn't teach traditional MT since he is an ex kickboxer and MMA fighter not a MT fighter.

    McGregor himself talks down on traditional MT which is dumb I think but whatever and his kicks are mostly TKD allthough he did do kickboxing but you can see him train TKD in a countdown show and his base is boxing his stance is that of a boxer and it's his strongest aspect he's celarly mainly a boxer.

    Pettis is obviously not traditional MT roufus is exactly that kind of American kickboxer you talked about in your post and he teaches that wayy as well lots of movement and techniques from every martial art and Pettis has a TKD background and it's pretty apparent.

    Do Anjos has only started to develope his standup but he is the typical MMA fighter and just very good at that kind of standup he doesn't really fight people in msot pure striking arts would do but simply takes what works for him he has good boxing and good lowkicks so if anything he's more of a kickboxer but not even that much int he way the Dutch are. Also I don't know a single Brazillian fighter with a pure MT style Brazillian MT is very different from what they teach in Thailand and is a mixture of MT, karate, pure aggression and whatever each coach thinks works it's very ....special.

    Thomson is also clearly not a traditional MT guy. First of all you can see that his abse is wrestling from his stance and everything but he is a wrestler who likes to moves and has good kicks similar to Phil Davis.


    Melendez is very much of a boxer that's super obvious he very rarely uses anything but his hands, he likes to duck under punches and so on he's simply a skilled (boxer)
    brawler.

    Lawlor is too side on for a traditional MT guy and his strongest weapon are his hands he is also just a kickboxer for lack of better terms but not in the way the Dutch are he's also a product of that AMerican kickboxing style you spoke of and he simply favours hands so sometimes he even almost exclusively boxes.

    Rockholt is a kickboxer he has a wrestling background and simply learned MMA/kickboxing I don't know where he started but possibly he started even at AKA so he learned the kickboxing style Javier Mendez teaches and Mendes was a kickboxe rnot a MT guy but also a product of that American kickboxing style. And aisde from lineage he also doesn't fight like a MT guy since he stands more side on which is alsoa reason why he only kicks with his back leg he has good rear kicks allthough 99% of his kicks are the same and he has a good lead hook 90% of his game are those 2 weapons and he's simply a kickboxer/MMA guy who learned kickboxing from an American kickboxer.


    Weidman is also an wrestler who learned striking in a MMA gym from a guy who specializes on MMA so he was taught everything but not traditional MT either and he favours his hands and sometimes elbows. So in terms of lineage he is just that a MMA guy that's what he learned and in his style he's mostly a boxer but also likes elbows he is far from a MT fighter.

    Gastelum has alsoa wrestling background and in the beginning that was absically his style and he also learned striking at a MMA gym but he like Gilbert fights the fight of a boxer brawler and only rarely throws in a kick or 2.

    Gustaffson learned MMA when he was young he learned at a MMA gym but his style is very much that of a boxer maybe the striking coach at his MMA gym has a boxing background or maybe Gustaffson also did boxing for a while but he clearly is one of the most boxer ish MMA fighters in the UFC.

    Jacare also is brazillian I'm 99% sure he wasn't taught Thai style MT but Brazillian MT and he of course was taught striking for the first time in a MMA gym so yeah and he favours his hands as well he fights not really like any Thai MT fighter you'd find.
     
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    Thiago Alves back when he was crushing people pretty much relied on only muy thai.
     
  7. PivotPunch

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    He fights more Dutch as well. Tons of lowkicks and combinations with his hands he would pass for a Dutch kickboxer if you didn't know who he was. Even Thais who like hand techniques don't fight like him compar ehim to let's say ANuwat he fights completely different ALves doesn't fight like a MT guy but like a Dutch kickboxer
     
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    Overeem used to really have a thai style. He was all about body kicks, and getting into the clinch and obliterating his opponent with knees. His punches were just ones or one-twos, not much combos.

    Obviously things have changed.
     
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    There's a big black dude who fights for one of the mid level mma promotions on AXS tv with a very strict MT style coupled with TDD. He's tearing up the guys in this feeder league and is a ton if fun to watch.

    His last fight I saw he ko'd the guy from the clinch with an elbow. It was beautiful
     
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    Not a lot out there (you should watch some ONE FC if you don't already), and pretty much just aspects of pure MT in some fighters' skill-sets. But I can think of:

    Dejdamrong Sor Amnuaysirichoke
    Matt Brown (clinch/in-fighting)
    Rambaa Somdet
    Cosmo Alexandre
    RDA (low kicks)

    Edit: I misinterpreted the Top-5 part, lol. Should have read the OP ...

    There are almost no fighters in MMA from a pure MT background, so that would explain the lapses in technique you see from them. Even fighters people use as examples of MT in MMA like Aldo, Shogun, Alves, Cerrone, A. Silva, Overeem, etc. use understandings of MT. Malaipet Sasiprapa is a solid nak muay and striker, but you wouldn't know it or call him that if you just saw his MMA fights. Muay Thai needs adaptation for actual fighting just as much as boxing, and Malaipet couldn't adapt his Thai striking skills well. Muay Thai is a very multidimensional combat sport and it can be equipped to the game of any MMA fighter, with the clinch work especially.

    Matt Brown went from being a middling WW to Top-10 due to the drastic improvements in his offence because of his relatively authentic MT entries/long-range grappling/hand traps, fighting/in-fighting/clinch game (no one in the UFC has used it like him). It is the only aspect of his game you can call great for MMA standards and he gave Robbie Lawler (who has some of the best boxing in MMA) a very tough fight. Rambaa Somdet has translated aspects of his MT game fairly well to MMA and is generally considered the best strawweight fighter in the sport.

    Gilbert Melendez and Cat Zingano (both of whom are/were scheduled to fight for the UFC title) have gotten really good at their techniques and usages of their elbow strikes from their training with Golden Age ATG nak muays, in Jongsanan and Sakmongkol, respectively. Another guy I can think of is Jim Miller, who has been a consistent Top-10 LW for a while (arguably peaking around Top-5, but he isn't that high now), and the improvements in his offensive striking have played a good role in that. You could see bits of the techniques he tries to string together and set-up, like during clinch entries from the Shalorus, Lauzon, and Cerrone fights for instance. They have few traces of an authentic MT style, very likely attributed to his training with ATG, and a personal favourite of mine, Kaensak. These guys don't have a pure MT style in general though.
     
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    Cracked top 5 in weight class? None would have a style that could be classified "pure" MT by Thai standards.

    Outside of top 5, maybe Detdamrong, Rambaa, Malaipet... basically all stadium veterans that ventured into MMA LOL.
     
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    Are combinations invented from the dutchs?
    My coach is half brazilian and trained in Thailand and boxing in Japan also but he uses a lot of combos for the class, he loves the clinch as he
     

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