Social White Privilege Conference 2014

[Falsedawn]

sjw?

Social Justice Warrior

The douchenozzles you see that are pushing things like 50 gender categories and all the erratic -isms.

 

[IDL]

Social Justice Warrior

The douchenozzles you see that are pushing things like 50 gender categories and all the erratic -isms.

It's all part of a much larger social engineering program.

All aspects of human identity are being removed psychologically. Gender is just one, so that will be under attack. All the others are as well though.

They are trying to shape people into conformists in order to create their ideal society (from their perspective). No individuality. Everyone a collective mass.

From the racial aspect of identity, whites are the first target but they will move on to the other races.

Some of this stuff falls under social Marxism. People will believe anything when it comes from authority. Especially young people.

 

[Quipling]

It's all part of a much larger social engineering program.

All aspects of human identity are being removed psychologically. Gender is just one, so that will be under attack. All the others are as well though.

They are trying to shape people into conformists in order to create their ideal society (from their perspective). No individuality. Everyone a collective mass.

From the racial aspect of identity, whites are the first target but they will move on to the other races.

Some of this stuff falls under social Marxism. People will believe anything when it comes from authority. Especially young people.

I'm eager to hear how you think 50 gender categories makes for a different amount of individuality than 2-3.

 

[IDL]

I'm eager to hear how you think 50 gender categories makes for a different amount of individuality than 2-3.

It confuses the entire concept of gender. In the past, men and women were more distinct and gender was more a part of identity.

If you water it down sufficiently gender becomes less and less meaningful.

 

[Hadron]

It confuses the entire concept of gender. In the past, men and women were more distinct and gender was more a part of identity.

If you water it down sufficiently gender becomes less and less meaningful.

You had manly girls and girly men in the past. Now they are just giving different names to them.

 

[IDL]

You had manly girls and girly men in the past. Now they are just giving different names to them.

I'm more referring to society at large, which is what social engineering is aimed at. It's all psychology.

 

[dza76wutang]

I'm more referring to society at large, which is what social engineering is aimed at. It's all psychology.

More sub-categories may diminish the weight of any particular category but you also gain more refined segmenting.

Gender = 2
Gender x Race = 10
Gender x race x SES = oh idk 200

You may argue this eventually leads to N groups of 1 which dissolves us so thoroughly we become an amorphous societal blob but I would argue covariance and diminishing returns will lead to smaller but more accurately divided segments of multiple people. I would imagine the end game of society finally operating as one collective can not be done by divide an conquer unless those divisions start killing each other.

Finding a unifying cause would probably work much better, assuming there wasn't incentive to defect.

 

[IDL]

More sub-categories may diminish the weight of any particular category but you also gain more refined segmenting.

Gender = 2
Gender x Race = 10
Gender x race x SES = oh idk 200

You may argue this eventually leads to N groups of 1 which dissolves us so thoroughly we become an amorphous societal blob but I would argue covariance and diminishing returns will lead to smaller but more accurately divided segments of multiple people. I would imagine the end game of society finally operating as one collective can not be done by divide an conquer unless those divisions start killing each other.

Finding a unifying cause would probably work much better, assuming there wasn't incentive to defect.

You can see the crossover between men and women in relation to the past. All framed in a positive light, of course. Pressure to eliminate gender roles, for example.

This stuff is mostly aimed at young people, because they are still forming their identities. If gender becomes meaningless then it won't define people. Eventually they can convince people that gender is entirely psychological, just like what they are trying to do with race. Then it becomes 'a figment of your imagination' and can be shaped into anything, or nothing. It's a process.

I think the uniting cause is climate change, and the earth. The Club of Rome talked about this back in the 90's in their book 'The First Global Revolution' and you can see how hard they are pushing now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Global_Revolution

It's always some sort of fear that unites people. Traditionally that would be fear of a physical enemy like war, or the threat of terrorism.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

Its difficult to gain sympathy for a movement that is constantly spewing bizarre "theories" and absurd revisionist interpretations of history. When asked for a concrete example of discrimination or oppression and people are responding with divisive abstract answers like "Its systematic and you are a white male so you can't understand discrimination" it makes it difficult to get on board with these movements.

When these "white privilege" groups are claiming Descartes "I think, therefore I am" was the beginning of white racism and that logic and reason are the white man's tools of oppression, its rather difficult to take them seriously.

I've noticed its a lot easier to understand the Muslim Women's movement when they make it clear they are fighting for employment opportunities, the chance to drive a car and walk down the street without a male escort.

These movements would gain more sympathy if they dropped the "theoretical nonsense," the revisionist history that borders on conspiracy theory and the ridiculous jargon/buzzwords and started giving clear and concise explanations of their goals along with concrete examples of discrimination and oppression.

The key for these movements gaining sympathy is being reasonable and striving for clarity.

I think the main problem is that a lot of people become attracted to these movements because they want a platform to safely vent out their hatred and cynicism. With that element, that IS the goal. And those are the people who seem to get the most media attention today.

 

[NeoNinjaFC]

What I've learned from the war room the past few months is that White people are the most socially oppressed group in all of history and that it sucks to be white. As a matter of fact I'm starting to doubt that slavery even happened I think it was all a hoax to keep the noble white man down, civil rights and institutionalized racism is also a hoax, those things never happened, the only institutionalized racism to ever occur in history was against white people. White people have to deal with so much racism these days, like yesterday my white friend and I were watching a news story about Donald Sterling and I could tell it made him uncomfortable because he was white, at that point I felt so sorry for him, he was in so much pain and suffering, the humanity of it all.

White people also have to deal with being knocked out randomly by black people while they are walking about in everyday life, and they have to hear about news stories like Donald Sterling incident, who was the obvious victim of it all since he was just expressing his private views and should not have been recorded, that's the real issue. And yesterday I got solid indisputable scientific proof that white privilege is a lie because I was walking down a street and I saw a white guy that was homeless living on the street, that is undisputable proof that white privilege is a total fabrication of black feminists.

end sarcasm

The truth is that behind your fancy words and well written grammatically correct posts, most of you have picked a side, your side, your race. You're not much better than the so called social justice warriors. When the Donald Sterling incident happened most of the same posters on this thread defended him and his right to free speech, when the knockout game happened most you started posting all this crap about blacks being the most criminally inclined, when Colbert said Ching Chong not one of you stood up for Asians, it was all " get over it you sensitive d-bag, it was a joke". Now some guy posts a few youtube videos and you're all united and up in arms over a fucking video. That's cool but don't pretend you're something you're not, don't pretend you're all objective on all matters, most of you behind your fancy words are the same as every other group: you've picked a side, your side, your race.

 

[IDL]

^ There is some truth to that, but it's a lot more complicated. It doesn't indicate what is true and what is false.

If they were teaching this kind of stuff in universities directed at group X, then members of group X would be more likely to call them on it.

That's just standard group dynamics.

If they were teaching students that short people were the cause of the worlds problems, short people would probably be more skeptical than tall people.

 

[Hadron]

I think the main problem is that a lot of people become attracted to these movements because they want a platform to safely vent out their hatred and cynicism. With that element, that IS the goal. And those are the people who seem to get the most media attention today.

Maybe that to some degree, but I doubt it is all about malice.

All through school, you learn over and over about civil rights activists, how bad the holocaust was, etc...Every single year from kindergarden through 12th, you learn about how great MLK was, or how brave Rosa Parks was, and you read that stupid poem about not speaking out during the holocaust until they came for you over and over.

You glorify activism so much, is it any surprise that kids want to become civil rights activists? If there are no grave injustices for them to campaign against, they just make them up.

 

[Islam Imamate]

For me, it's the highlighted part. It's hard to deny that there are some benefits in being born a white male in the US, but it's evident that some people completely overestimate that benefit.

Agreed

There are benefits to being a female and/or a minority, too, as I pointed out earlier.

What pisses me off is that there are real social justice concerns out there that are detrimentally affecting races and classes (the Drug War being one of the biggest, if not the biggest), but we're being sidetracked about some non-issue such as white male privilege. Plus, there are just going to be some people who have been told their entire life that they'll never make it due to their skin color/gender, and white male privilege is just a way of expressing an anger towards a group of easy targets without ever really trying to gain success.

I don't think minorities really have much privilege. A few government assistance programs doesn't outweigh some of the societal ills they face. I do think think women have privilege that is uniquely theirs, especially white middle class women.

My question is, in a country that is mostly white and has been since it's founding, aren't whites going to have most the jobs, most the money, most the exposure, most everything?

The issue is under representation at the top and over representation at the the bottom. Blacks make up more than 14% of prisons and homicide victims and the poor while they make up less in the upper class and in positions of power.

My issue with the SJWs type is that their backlash to this is barbed, exagerrated, and at times misplaced. People focus more on trivial shit like representation in media when, as sodapopinski points out, something like the Drug War is far more harmful to the black community.

That's why last time there was a thread on this I suggested that the concept of social privilege should be separated from the concept of whiteness. At first Workers United called me boneheaded for it but later upgraded to merely outrageous, so I thought we made progress.

I disagree, I think there is overlap between the two but white privilege definitely exists. Racism still exists and given that whites are not only the majority but also over represented in positions of power its not much of a leap to think that white racism against other races is more predominant and influential than racism by other races.

That said I think KILL KILL has the right stance. Its there but its exaggerated by some and I would think its fair to say its fading away as we distance ourselves from the racism of the past. The sad reality is people don't become unracist over night, it takes generations. 100 years ago I'm sure there was Protestant privilege that really held back someone who was a Catholic Irish immigrant. Nowadays most people don't really give a fuck if you're Catholic or Irish. It'll take longer for race but I think eventually we'll look at racism the same way some kid today looks at the Protestant/Catholic bigotry of the early 20th century in the US.

Do you ever get the feeling that Maybe, just maybe, it's an internet fad? I say this because I've never seen anything relating to social justice, but I've seen a shitload of complaining about it.

Its something that's more common in certain circles. This is an MMA forum so its not surprising we don't see much of it here. I've heard sites like tumblr and reddit have a lot more of it but tbh I don't really frequent those sites.

 

[BearGrounds]

Sorry, I don't engage in debates about race. It's divisive and only serves to detract my attention from issues that are more worthy of it.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Its something that's more common in certain circles. This is an MMA forum so its not surprising we don't see much of it here. I've heard sites like tumblr and reddit have a lot more of it but tbh I don't really frequent those sites.

Yeah there are more guys here so you're probably not going to see too many hardcore feminists. But we are pretty split down the middle in terms of political ideology and I see way more anti-SJW threads than actual SJW threads.

And apparently Tumblr/Reddit are like the liberal Stormfronts. Or so I've heard. Never been to those sites.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yeah there are more guys here so you're probably not going to see too many hardcore feminists. But we are pretty split down the middle in terms of political ideology and I see way more anti-SJW threads than actual SJW threads.

And apparently Tumblr/Reddit are like the liberal Stormfronts. Or so I've heard. Never been to those sites.

Well, the whole SJW thing seems to be a fringe movement that's mostly limited to college campuses and blogs for now. You don't really see politicians with a SJW platform, its just too far left to be viable. Its just a small but very loud and annoying minority of people that manages to piss people off from both the right and the left. Most people ITT for instance seem to disagree with them but likely to differing degrees. I acknowledge white privilege, I just think the SJW crowd is a little too radical with their message ain both content and presentation.

 

[Bukowski82]

TS is obsessed with Race... It's really strange.

 

[n...not crazy]

We see what we want to see. All I got to say.

 

[RIPWarrior]

The truth is that behind your fancy words and well written grammatically correct posts, most of you have picked a side, your side, your race. You're not much better than the so called social justice warriors. When the Donald Sterling incident happened most of the same posters on this thread defended him and his right to free speech, when the knockout game happened most you started posting all this crap about blacks being the most criminally inclined, when Colbert said Ching Chong not one of you stood up for Asians, it was all " get over it you sensitive d-bag, it was a joke". Now some guy posts a few youtube videos and you're all united and up in arms over a fucking video. That's cool but don't pretend you're something you're not, don't pretend you're all objective on all matters, most of you behind your fancy words are the same as every other group: you've picked a side, your side, your race.

There

 

[Lovestorm]

What I've learned from the war room the past few months is that White people are the most socially oppressed group in all of history and that it sucks to be white. As a matter of fact I'm starting to doubt that slavery even happened I think it was all a hoax to keep the noble white man down, civil rights and institutionalized racism is also a hoax, those things never happened, the only institutionalized racism to ever occur in history was against white people. White people have to deal with so much racism these days, like yesterday my white friend and I were watching a news story about Donald Sterling and I could tell it made him uncomfortable because he was white, at that point I felt so sorry for him, he was in so much pain and suffering, the humanity of it all.

White people also have to deal with being knocked out randomly by black people while they are walking about in everyday life, and they have to hear about news stories like Donald Sterling incident, who was the obvious victim of it all since he was just expressing his private views and should not have been recorded, that's the real issue. And yesterday I got solid indisputable scientific proof that white privilege is a lie because I was walking down a street and I saw a white guy that was homeless living on the street, that is undisputable proof that white privilege is a total fabrication of black feminists.

end sarcasm

The truth is that behind your fancy words and well written grammatically correct posts, most of you have picked a side, your side, your race. You're not much better than the so called social justice warriors. When the Donald Sterling incident happened most of the same posters on this thread defended him and his right to free speech, when the knockout game happened most you started posting all this crap about blacks being the most criminally inclined, when Colbert said Ching Chong not one of you stood up for Asians, it was all " get over it you sensitive d-bag, it was a joke". Now some guy posts a few youtube videos and you're all united and up in arms over a fucking video. That's cool but don't pretend you're something you're not, don't pretend you're all objective on all matters, most of you behind your fancy words are the same as every other group: you've picked a side, your side, your race.

ROFL

Equates slavery with only white people. Trivialises the demonisation of all white people for the actions of a few, and/or entirely different European groups and nations. Trivialises the racist attacks on white people who are rendered unconscious for no reason other than being white and within punching range. Equates the actions of Jews like Sterling with white people. Doesn't understand Colbert's anti-racist satire. Trivialises homelessness.

I think we just found something more despicable than the white SJW.

We should probably swap usernames lol