white peoples roles and responsibilies

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[Juventud]

The unedited version of this video is one of my all time favorites.
Definition of rekt and the guy is just reveling in it. :icon_twis

 

[ben236]

I fall in the camp that knowing about it and not doing anything in this case is pretty damn bad. The Nicaraguans didn't get into LA by accident. The money was directly flowing to the Contras, and it was a substitute for congress officially cutting all funding. As far as i'm concerned, even if the government didn't directly get hands on, it at the very least endorsed it. That's pretty raw that you can be deemed worthless enough that a foreign entity can be given carte blanche access to sell drugs in your communities.

Then, when it gets bad, we just start locking the people we fucked over. Hell, we'll make a business out of it. It's pretty lucrative.

I'm not saying that it isn't pretty damn bad. And I've been one of the most vocal advocates about ending the drug war.

But again, there is no evidence that black communities were specifically targeted over white communities at least in the beginning. Black communities just took to crack more than white communities took to coke. And obviously supply is going to go where the demand is.

I'm sorry but I just don't see the Contras issue as being an example of either black oppression, or white privilege. Regardless though it's still pretty shitty.

 

[IDL]

I fall in the camp that knowing about it and not doing anything in this case is pretty damn bad. The Nicaraguans didn't get into LA by accident. The money was directly flowing to the Contras, and it was a substitute for congress officially cutting all funding. As far as i'm concerned, even if the government didn't directly get hands on, it at the very least endorsed it. That's pretty raw that you can be deemed worthless enough that a foreign entity can be given carte blanche access to sell drugs in your communities.

Then, when it gets bad, we just start locking the people we fucked over. Hell, we'll make a business out of it. It's pretty lucrative.

I guess the question would be what was the larger agenda with the CIA working with the Contras.

Governments have no qualms about employing the means justifies the ends approach when playing geopolitical chess games. Its sociopathic and there are plenty of examples of this.

 

[Shoemaker]

The unedited version of this video is one of my all time favorites.
Definition of rekt and the guy is just reveling in it. :icon_twis

haha I just watched the unedited version. When he brings up the stats about hows Asians are more privileged (which I suppose if we're basing it off of median income, is true http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9) and she says under her breath "well... they suffer from... different stereotypes" his response is perfect. "They aren't suffering, they're kicking our ass." So the narrative from her really is "being white is the problem". Because if you get benefits for being Asian, it's actually suffering. But if you're white it's privilege.

 

[ben236]

haha I just watched the unedited version. When he brings up the stats about hows Asians are more privileged (which I suppose if we're basing it off of median income, is true http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9) and she says under her breath "well... they suffer from... different stereotypes" his response is perfect. "They aren't suffering, they're kicking our ass." So the narrative from her really is "being white is the problem". Because if you get benefits for being Asian, it's actually suffering. But if you're white it's privilege.

Yeah... The topic of white privilege tends to become uncomfortable for SJW types when it turns to demographics that actually outperform the cis white male.

 

[Gluteus Swag]

Lets play a game: What percent of the below 50 privileges from the Invisible Knapsack are actually "being a member of the majority racial group" privilege, rather than "white" privilege.

Hint: Almost all of them

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

 

[Forkfoot]

haha I just watched the unedited version. When he brings up the stats about hows Asians are more privileged (which I suppose if we're basing it off of median income, is true http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9) and she says under her breath "well... they suffer from... different stereotypes" his response is perfect. "They aren't suffering, they're kicking our ass." So the narrative from her really is "being white is the problem". Because if you get benefits for being Asian, it's actually suffering. But if you're white it's privilege.

Asians weren't systematically brutalized, degraded and exploited for centuries in this country. The only group that comes close to our horrific treatment of African Americans has been the American Indian, and they're the most impoverished ethnicity in the nation. It is cartoonishly absurd to go around trying to circulate this comparison.

 

[Forkfoot]

Men have never given birth, and never will. But if a woman made a post online about how painful childbirth is, she'd go completely uncontested. Women say it hurts, and we believe them.

White people have never been black, and never will. But if someone makes a post online saying it's difficult and disadvantageous to be black, they get smacked down by a tidal wave of shrieking protest and frantic argumentation.

This is weird.

 

[Avenger]

[x]REKT
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[Edgar Allan Hoe]

You have to ask yourself- what type of meat is better? Chicken Lamb Beef or Pork?

I actually went to a Brazillian Steakhouse last night and sampled about 10 cuts of meat. The 3 best meats were the Lamb Ribs, and Fillet Mignon, and Beef Ribs. Chicken and Pork is for plebs.

 

[oldshadow]

Men have never given birth, and never will. But if a woman made a post online about how painful childbirth is, she'd go completely uncontested. Women say it hurts, and we believe them.

White people have never been black, and never will. But if someone makes a post online saying it's difficult and disadvantageous to be black, they get smacked down by a tidal wave of shrieking protest and frantic argumentation.

This is weird.

Well in both cases some people make more of a deal of it then it is.

Sure child birth hurts but some women act like it's the most painful thing anyone can experience and men will never know that kind of pain which is bull shit and yes I can tell personal experiences about pain.

So yes there are disadvantage and advantages to being born black but I would say now days it's more of a disadvantage to being born poor.

 

[Forkfoot]

Well in both cases some people make more of a deal of it then it is.

Sure child birth hurts but some women act like it's the most painful thing anyone can experience and men will never know that kind of pain which is bull shit and yes I can tell personal experiences about pain.

So yes there are disadvantage and advantages to being born black but I would say now days it's more of a disadvantage to being born poor.

Dude you literally have zero experiential basis for either of those assertions.

 

[Awesomesauce]

Dude you literally have zero experiential basis for either of those assertions.

And women have zero experiential basis for relating to men, and blacks have zero experiential basis for relating to whites.

This is such an asinine philosophical point. Its meaningless its a zero sum. If none of us can relate to the potential suffering of others who aren't us then not only can we not functionally discuss issues across racial and gender lines but every other potential form of separation.

You don't have glasses, you can't understand what its like.
You don't have one ear, you can't understand what its like.
You don't have anxiety disorder, you can't understand what its like.
....

how many possible ways to separate us could there be? Only a functionally unlimited number of them I suppose...

So I guess if we just can't understand each other its time to retreat to an actual rational analysis of the circumstances and not one that presupposes that we are all the same and that any differences in circumstantial outcome are evidence of systemic bias.

 

[Forkfoot]

And women have zero experiential basis for relating to men, and blacks have zero experiential basis for relating to whites.

This is such an asinine philosophical point. Its meaningless its a zero sum. If none of us can relate to the potential suffering of others who aren't us then not only can we not functionally discuss issues across racial and gender lines but every other potential form of separation.

You don't have glasses, you can't understand what its like.
You don't have one ear, you can't understand what its like.
You don't have anxiety disorder, you can't understand what its like.
....

how many possible ways to separate us could there be? Only a functionally unlimited number of them I suppose...

So I guess if we just can't understand each other its time to retreat to an actual rational analysis of the circumstances and not one that presupposes that we are all the same and that any differences in circumstantial outcome are evidence of systemic bias.

This might make look like a sensible argument to me... if I had ever even one single time felt even a teeny tiny bit like it was difficult or disadvantageous to be white.

 

[Edgar Allan Hoe]

And women have zero experiential basis for relating to men, and blacks have zero experiential basis for relating to whites.

This is such an asinine philosophical point. Its meaningless its a zero sum. If none of us can relate to the potential suffering of others who aren't us then not only can we not functionally discuss issues across racial and gender lines but every other potential form of separation.

You don't have glasses, you can't understand what its like.
You don't have one ear, you can't understand what its like.
You don't have anxiety disorder, you can't understand what its like.
....

how many possible ways to separate us could there be? Only a functionally unlimited number of them I suppose...

So I guess if we just can't understand each other its time to retreat to an actual rational analysis of the circumstances and not one that presupposes that we are all the same and that any differences in circumstantial outcome are evidence of systemic bias.

That is the core reason why identity politics keeps going strong. This idea that every race, gender, religion, and culture is inherently equal and therefore we must not rest until everything and everyone is equally represented and successful, even if that means rigging the game.

Newsflash America: They aren't.

 

[Awesomesauce]

This might make look like a sensible argument to me... if I had ever even one single time felt even a teeny tiny bit like it was difficult or disadvantageous to be white.

So your own experience and nature are now all encompassing evidence? There are plenty of places you could have grown up in North America where you would have felt disadvantaged to be white. I spent much of my childhood on an extremely poor native reservation where there was a great deal of deep seeded anger at whites, and I caught plenty of it for being half white.

I don't bring that into any of these discussions though as its just not rationally relevant. I don't imagine that there aren't plenty of people of every color around the world that could empathize with me about these issues. I don't think skin color has anything to do with it.

 

[oldshadow]

Dude you literally have zero experiential basis for either of those assertions.

So because I'm male and white makes me blind and have no concept of pain or the ability to see disadvantage?

I never said that child birth didn't hurt or that being born black doesn't have disadvantages even now days.

However all things in perspective, in the 50s and 60s being born black was a real disadvantage. Now days things have changed a great deal but some act like nothing has changed.

As far as pain I have cut off fingers and can tell about pain.

 

[Forkfoot]

So your own experience and nature are now all encompassing evidence?

No, it's just that when every single black person I've ever talked to sees it as challenging to some extent to be black in America, whereas I have never come anywhere close to finding it difficult to be white, that kinda says something. I've actually never spoken to any white person who didn't share my experience IRL, though to hear some whites on the internet talk you'd think they're in danger of being lynched by minorities any second now.

 

[Forkfoot]

S
However all things in perspective, in the 50s and 60s being born black was a real disadvantage. Now days things have changed a great deal but some act like nothing has changed.

Nobody acts like nothing has changed, come on.