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  1. Cracky Fanny Pack

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    I have a theory about why white fighters seem to get so much support in America.. and it's different than you might
    expect. I was recently playing Tiger Woods golf and thought to myself about how fast Tiger became the biggest star
    golf has ever seen. Yes he was talented, but he transended golf.. people that didn't watch golf, tuned in to watch him..
    I think the reason for that was because he was different. He was rare. I think white boxers that crack the top ten pfp are kind of
    the same. People don't see them much there. I don't believe that they receive support out of some racial pride or anything like that.
    I'm white, and I really don't associate any type of pride with it..it's just what I am. I think the reason
    white fighters and Tiger woods, and hillary and obama receive so much support is they are all rare and people
    want to see proof that anything can be done by anyone.

    That's my theory anyways. I felt I would post it because of some of the hate I seen pavlik fans get in the past. I think it's misdirected.
     
  2. 2008 Green Belt

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    that's a solid argument i see where you are coming from
     
  3. pr0ne2gr8tness Orange Belt

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    i thought after watching the last olympics y dont black athletes take over the world!
     
  4. Todd Gack Dutch

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    I also came to the same conclusion, only I was playing Halo 3.
     
  5. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    So what exactly makes them rare?
     
  6. RanDomK** Orange Belt

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    i do not agree with you...i think the main reason fighters become popular are for their own personal charisma and how exciting they are in the ring

    i think the likes of sugar ray robinson,muhammad ali and marciano are prime examples of this.

    And i think it's the same in everything else...a persons charisma and own exceptional qualities which makes them stand out.
     
  7. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It's delusional to think that there's no sense of racial/nationalistic pride in Sports. Always has been, always will be.
     
  8. BigPapaSmurf Brown Belt

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    agreed, plus i don't see that much wrong with it to tell you the truth. you are usually going to support the fighter you have something in common with and sometimes it's just your race.
     
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    give me a hometown champion of the world and i'm gonna root for him every single time he fights but i couldn't care less if he was black or white...but that's just me
     
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    That's why he also said nationalistic.
     
  11. Cracky Fanny Pack

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    The fact that you don't see many of them in the top ten pfp. I can think of maybe 10 white fighters that cracked the top ten pfp in the last 10 years...
     
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    maybe, but I just don't see white people having that much racial pride.. partially because we are mutts for the most part. I see a lot of "Irish" pride when an Irish fighter comes along, but thats because the Irish have heratige. White people in general have no heratige, because we all come from different places. On top of that, our American heratige isn't exactly the most positive thing to look back on.
    That said, I'm not ashamed to be white. I just feel no connection to it at all. I think a lot of white people are the same way.

    More examples of the rare attracting big money and huge fan bases:
    Yao Ming
    Williams sisters
    I forget his name, but the first pitcher that we brought over from the japanese league..I was a kid at the time. Think his name was Nomo. He was in all types of commercials and even a movie. ..and he was only good for a couple years.
     
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    yeah maybe, but some of it is racism too I think, just because you think white fighters are a novelty doesn't mean you need to hate on 'page and silva, which to me is the -entire- reason they aren't as popular as forrest griffen/chuck liddell/rich franklin. People like to support people they see to be 'their own'... might not even be possible to take that kind of prejudice from a human on an unconscious level. Racism has existed since forever, it's only recently that it's become a problem.
     
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    Well why is BJ Penn so huge then? He's probably the most popular fighter in the ufc at this moment.
    I agree that Silva should get a tremendous amount of respect and attention. He's amazingly talented. I also think Rampage is very exciting and fun fighter that gets too little love. I can't really say why on either front. I'm not saying there isn't any racisim out there, I just think that the majority of white folks could care less about racial pride.
     
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    Really??That's very intresting,i thought about it while playing Brain Academy on Nintendo Ds.
     
  18. Dragonstyle915 Brown Belt

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    Maybe its the "White Hope" in a non-racist way.

    I think White boxers and atheletes are actually discriminated against more nowadays.

    The media, especially white media, has the habit of calling good white atheletes "hard workers who are athletically challenged".

    Media is very skeptical and har don white atheletes because they dont want to rise a "White Hope" mentality.
     
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    Man, this race stuff is soooo played IMO.
     
  20. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The point is what makes them rare, IS their race. If it weren't for that, what would be the rarity?

    Are you serious? Ever hear of Marciano? Ever hear of Mancini? Ever hear of Dempsey? Ever hear of Cooney? These are the Fighters Caucasian America most readily identified with. And perhaps the detachment also stems from the History of Caucasian American Boxing, such as Dempsey's "White Hope" tournament to find someone to beat "The Brown Bomber"...and stating when Louis lost that it was the best thing that could have happened for the Sport at the time.

    Pavlik is the next in-line, and while I don't think it's a bad thing that anyone has racial or nationalistic pride that they express through whom they like in Sports of whatever, at the same time I don't think there's a need to start a race war.
     
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