White belts beating blue belts

kushnforpushin

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I am a whitebelt and whenever i have open mat, i challenge blue belts and i win over half the time. I have been training for under a month but i have a wrestling background. I am wondering if i can beat bluebelts, shouldnt that make me one?
 
Nope. At one month you are just beating them with wrestling which is actually kind of surprising but I suppose could happen. Even if you are gogoing half the blue belts you go against it in 30 seconds doesn't make you a blue belt. You are a blue belt when a black belt says you are.
 
This honestly seems like a troll attempt. Not because of the claim which is believable because I am similar. You will be promoted when you have put in your mat time and your coach deems you fit. Just because you can beat some blues at your school doesn't make you a blue belt. Even though many guys here won't admit it, brock would molest many bjj bb at adcc. Does that make him a bb? No it makes him bb level, but since he rarely trains with a gi on not a bb. If you are good as you say which possible look forward to easily winning some whitebelt tourneys in the near future.




By any chance do you outweigh most of these guys your beating? I'm only asking because of your name. However if that relates to a sexual fondness of women society deems overweight then never mind.
 
A thief thinks everyone steals.

People on here still pissy because I made a thread that said bjj is not the end all? Whatever lol :icon_lol:

Only said that because its perfect bait for a 10 page elitist debate on training with the gi.
 
Are you beating them by grinding them into the ground with a strong top game and strength like a wrestler? Then no you shouldn't be a bluebelt. Do you win by submitting them? What submissions? Are you CHALLENGING them? Or are you just asking for a roll where the bluebelts aren't really that into proving their "amazing" skill against a good wrestler whitebelt?

When you use BJJ to beat other BJJ'ers of similar skill consistently. Not only in submitting them but showing strong dominance and versatility of technique and strategy of BJJ , you will be awarded your next rank in BJJ depending on how heavily your instructor values the different qualities that make that rank. The quality that is usually valued above all else in BJJ is technique. And unless you are beating BJJ'ers with BJJ, like I said, there is no reason for you to be a bluebelt, since a boxer can knock out a bluebelt but won't be awarded a bluebelt himself either.

Even Judo and BJJ are so incredibly similar as grappling arts (indeed sharing the same source) to such an extent that it's almost ridiculous. But they are valued as being different enough that your general skill at grappling does not constitute your beltrank.

Your rank is not your pure grappling skill, but your skill in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu techniques and methods, combined with the amount of training and effort you put into learning it and the time spent doing that. All of that is sent through the scrutiny of your instructor who judges your performance based on much more than grinding some bluebelts on open mat.

At least that's how I understand it.
 
Are you beating them by grinding them into the ground with a strong top game and strength like a wrestler? Then no you shouldn't be a bluebelt. Do you win by submitting them? What submissions? Are you CHALLENGING them? Or are you just asking for a roll where the bluebelts aren't really that into proving their "amazing" skill against a good wrestler whitebelt?

When you use BJJ to beat other BJJ'ers of similar skill consistently. Not only in submitting them but showing strong dominance and versatility of technique and strategy of BJJ , you will be awarded your next rank in BJJ depending on how heavily your instructor values the different qualities that make that rank. The quality that is usually valued above all else in BJJ is technique. And unless you are beating BJJ'ers with BJJ, like I said, there is no reason for you to be a bluebelt, since a boxer can knock out a bluebelt but won't be awarded a bluebelt himself either.

Even Judo and BJJ are so incredibly similar as grappling arts (indeed sharing the same source) to such an extent that it's almost ridiculous. But they are valued as being different enough that your general skill at grappling does not constitute your beltrank.

Your rank is not your pure grappling skill, but your skill in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu techniques and methods, combined with the amount of training and effort you put into learning it and the time spent doing that. All of that is sent through the scrutiny of your instructor who judges your performance based on much more than grinding some bluebelts on open mat.

At least that's how I understand it.


Can I play? On here bjj you always hear bjj is an all encompassing art right? Wrestling is part of bjj. A wrestler in a gi wins by using wrestling in bjj is still using bjj no? So what if he used an element of bjj taught to him somewhere else. Its still bjj at that point.......:cool:

*Note im not saying at all he should be a blue, Im just stating that wrestling is a part of bjj*
 
kushnforpushin said:
I am wondering if i can beat bluebelts, shouldnt that make me one?

Nope. That means the guys should give back the blue belts. Just kidding :wink:
 
I'm sorry, but the point is that so is Judo, but a BJJ blackbelt is not automatically a Judo blackbelt and vice versa. And that tapping out a few blues in open mat is not how people are ranked in this style.
 
I'm sorry, but the point is that so is Judo, but a BJJ blackbelt is not automatically a Judo blackbelt and vice versa. And that tapping out a few blues in open mat is not how people are ranked in this style.

Sarcasm does not translate well on here :icon_sad:
 
i really believe that the blue belt mundials adult champions could consistenly beat regular joe blow recreational black belts.
 
i really believe that the blue belt mundials adult champions could consistenly beat regular joe blow recreational black belts.

lol what?

A fake bb sure but a recreational(or any legit bb) shoulndt have much problem vs any blue really. Sure there is exception like the example of a huge wrestler but still.

in relation to op im assuming you are using your wrstling to beat them wich is fine but you will also need to develop a bottom game and learn alot more before you are a blue but the wrestling certainly will be a good asset.
 
When I was a white belt I would submit blue belts from time to time. Now that I am a blue belt I get submitted by white belts from time to time. Who cares though. When I get submitted by white belts it's usually because they are rolling like its a tournament whereas I am working on something specific purposely avoiding my normal game or they outweight/outmuscle me by like 50+ pounds and I am not good enough to counter that at this point. They are definitely not blue belt level in any way, shape, or form though because they would probably get their butt handed to them in a tourney with guys that weighed the same that were blues.

Also, how much did you wrestle? 1-2 years of wrestling means you are basically blue belt level, not in bjj but in terms of grappling. Anyone with that much experience or more should be a challenge to blue belts.
 
the biggest gap in skill level in BJJ is a new blue and an almost purple blue.

the second biggest gap is a recreational black belt and a world champion.


What it all comes down to is mat hours. Yeah you got a month or so of jiu jitsu, but your mat time may far exceed a new blue, plus you throw size, speed, strength and it'll trump a skillset slightly above.
 
Can I play? On here bjj you always hear bjj is an all encompassing art right? Wrestling is part of bjj. A wrestler in a gi wins by using wrestling in bjj is still using bjj no? So what if he used an element of bjj taught to him somewhere else. Its still bjj at that point.......:cool:

*Note im not saying at all he should be a blue, Im just stating that wrestling is a part of bjj*

Agree. Though, I'll just come out and be the bad guy. Sure, if you're easily beating blues, even with wrestling, then sure, maybe you should be a blue. If you can use your game to beat their game 9x/10, then why not?

But... Your guard probably sucks, you probably can't escape side control from under a heavy guy, your technical (not strongman) escapes are probably shotty, and you are probably a ****y a-hole who is a bit too engrossed in the thought of what color your belt fabric should be. I think those are good reasons to not give you a blue belt.
 
the biggest gap in skill level in BJJ is a new blue and an almost purple blue.

Is this statement accurate?

I received my blue belt in July '10, and now have one stripe. There is a guy at my gym that's a four-stripe blue that just seems leaps and bounds better than me. He's always one or two steps ahead of me when rolling. He's the guy I watch and try to emulate, who I roll with as a litmus test for my own skills. Who I try to catch up with skill-wise, but never seem able to.

If that statement is accurate, it makes me feel like I can be less hard on myself for not being able to catch up to this guy ever.
 
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