Everything starts from the hips.
this sounds like a response a TMA instructor drilled into you. Natural human punches don't have to come from the hip. Even in boxing, alot of punches (even the jab) don't come from the hip at all. They derive power from the legs, but even that has nothing to do with their speed which is what the TS is asking. Only with their force
Every punch derives power from the hips, and that most definitely includes the jab! (or at least it should). I agree that punches derive power from the legs, but the hips/core are the mechanism that transfers power from the legs to the shoulders, and correspondingly to the punch itself. In short, if your using your legs in generating power, the only way that power moves from the ground up is through the core (which includes the hips).
It seems that there is this misconception that speed comes from the smaller muscles that play a much less significant role in a punch. Such as, the triceps, which really play a very insignificant role in the motion. If anything, the shoulders would play a far more significant role in punching mechanics than would the triceps!
We seem to be in agreement (throughout the forum) that the legs, hips, core are responsible for generating power. Why?.... because they are responsible for the overwhelming majority of the punching mechanics. Using that same assumption, why would anyone not agree that these same muscles are the ones that are the most responsible for developing speed. If ultimately, these muscles dictate 80% or more of the mechanics/motion in a punch, then i would say they also are the most important for developing speed as well as power. Speed and power are both derived from the same muscles, what makes a punch faster is those same muscles reacting more explosively...... I.E: Faster!
Every punch derives power from the hips, and that most definitely includes the jab! (or at least it should). I agree that punches derive power from the legs, but the hips/core are the mechanism that transfers power from the legs to the shoulders, and correspondingly to the punch itself. In short, if your using your legs in generating power, the only way that power moves from the ground up is through the core (which includes the hips).
It seems that there is this misconception that speed comes from the smaller muscles that play a much less significant role in a punch. Such as, the triceps, which really play a very insignificant role in the motion. If anything, the shoulders would play a far more significant role in punching mechanics than would the triceps!
We seem to be in agreement (throughout the forum) that the legs, hips, core are responsible for generating power. Why?.... because they are responsible for the overwhelming majority of the punching mechanics. Using that same assumption, why would anyone not agree that these same muscles are the ones that are the most responsible for developing speed. If ultimately, these muscles dictate 80% or more of the mechanics/motion in a punch, then i would say they also are the most important for developing speed as well as power. Speed and power are both derived from the same muscles, what makes a punch faster is those same muscles reacting more explosively...... I.E: Faster!
It's not a matter of which muscle that moves, it is a matter of the muscles that should be relaxed, so that they don't create antagonistic tension
this sounds like a response a TMA instructor drilled into you. Natural human punches don't have to come from the hip. Even in boxing, alot of punches (even the jab) don't come from the hip at all. They derive power from the legs, but even that has nothing to do with their speed which is what the TS is asking. Only with their force
Don't forget about the Latissimus dorsi muscle. Plays a significant role in arm movement.
Yes, but the issue is that the thread started asked an overly broad, and answerless question. The problem is that no one muscle is used to punch. If I locked my elbow in place and punched with my legs and core, it wouldn't be that effective. Conversely, if I just threw an arm punch, that wouldn't be effective. A good punch comes from the coordination of a number of muscles across multiple joints, and I don't think you can say one is more important than the next (although certain ones may be more so than others).
I don't mean to be a dick, but the lats actually do the exact opposite. They extend (if your arm is out in front of you, they will pull the arm to your side) and horizontally abduct (if your arm is out in front of you, they will pull them back behind you in a path parallel to the floor).
Latissimus dorsi muscle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I def. feel the lats work when I punch. That may be because they are internal rotators (you rotate right before contact), or they are engaged to prevent you from damaging joint via antagonistic support.
Yes, but the issue is that the thread started asked an overly broad, and answerless question. The problem is that no one muscle is used to punch. If I locked my elbow in place and punched with my legs and core, it wouldn't be that effective. Conversely, if I just threw an arm punch, that wouldn't be effective. A good punch comes from the coordination of a number of muscles across multiple joints, and I don't think you can say one is more important than the next (although certain ones may be more so than others).
I take it your hooks and uppercuts are pretty slow.
The end of a whip breaks the sound barrier, I guess the speed must come from the power in the tip of the whip, right?