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Which is more important: Who you beat/fought or how many you've beaten?

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  1. KazDibiase "My style is kneeing people in the face."

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    I'm talking title shot wise. What type of fight is more deserving. A fighter who have some wins or loses against mid/top tier fighters or a fighter who is undefeated with wins against lower/mid fighters?
     
  2. 20falarVerdades Silver Belt

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    If you are on a 6+ fight streak it is very likely that you are already facing top opponents. So IMO both things should be taken into account
     
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    In an ideal world, a combination of both
     
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    The former.

    How many fighters have come into the UFC with long undefeated streaks and quickly been handed a loss against top tier competition?
     
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    It is impossible to answer this without specifics. Could be either.
     
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    Murder's Row. Pick your poison.
     
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    Who you beat and how you beat them.
     
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    I will say that its fucking insane that Holloway got to 10 wins in a row without getting a crack at a real belt. That should never happen again. He didn't beat anyone in the absolute top flight of that division but he beat everyone else.

    The UFC should have a thing where if you get 8 wins a row, either you get a title shot in the next six months or they have to give you a million dollars. Think of the drama. They'd be throwing killers at guys as soon as they got to 6.
     
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    Sage is top tier competition?

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  14. Darwinambrosius Thought you had a friend, boy?

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    Is this a khabib hate thread?
     
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  15. FlyingKimurabar Silver Belt

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    Quality > quantity obviously. It's been proven countless times. Guys go on big win streaks because they're active against guys ranking #10-20 but once they face that step up in competition they routinely get samshed.
     
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    If u havent beaten anyone in the top 5 u dont deserve a title shot
     
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  17. laleggenda27 Brown Belt

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    If we're talking about title shots, it should be both. You should have at least a decent win streak (at least a 3 or 4 wins in a row), with at least one or two wins against top guys.

    But of course who you beat is more important than how many.
     
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    I would say who you beat is more important for the most part but not always. If under some strange circumstance a fighter ranked 15th gets matched up with fighter ranked 2 and wins he shouldn't necessarily be catapulted past him now. Mma is a crazy sport where styles make fights and things that seem unlikely happen every week. so while #15 beat #2, #15 might lose to 3-10 and number 2 beats them all. So does 15 beating 2 steal all the accomplishments from 2 that 15 couldn't do himself? You have to consider the totality of circumstances.
     
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    How much you get paid !!!!!!
     
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    Completely circumstantial
     
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